Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[jakemcilroy]

Colorado might be the most vulnerable and open to join the Big12, from what I've gathered.

Pretty much the same thing. Get 2, cripple the league, then decide if you want to more.

Only difference is Colorado’s elitist mentality but at this point beggars can’t be choosers. Need to cripple their league while ensuring our long-term disability.

 

[Cloneon]

Securing an underlying contract affiliated with Notre Dame will provide leverage here. Dominoes.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Securing an underlying contract affiliated with Notre Dame will provide leverage here. Dominoes.

I prefer Papa John’s but celebrate however you wish.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I prefer Papa John’s but celebrate however you wish.

Still a Pizza Hut guy myself.

 

[scyclonekid]

No merger good, go get pac teams and now a possible affiliation with ND also good. I get explore all options, but in the end I’m confident we add teams crippling the PAC.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

Still a Pizza Hut guy myself.

Just had Happy Joe's last week for the first time since the mid-90s. Pizzasm. So good. Not wanting to derail the thread, but good lord it was so good. (Canadian Bacon) Literal time machine to being a kid. 5 stars, would recommend.

 

[MartyFine]

 

[WhoISthis]

Arizona 247 guy says that Pac-12 sources are saying three outcomes are in the mix:

1. Big 12 gets aggressive and tries to add schools ASAP, tries to make it official very soon.
2. The ten in the Pac-12 stick together on a short-term media contract.
3. The Pac-12 expands with Mountain West or AAC options in order to have more inventory for negotiations.

He thinks (1) is the most likely, but different people had different thoughts on which was the most likely. But he says that (3) is picking up steam as an option among the Pac-12.

Both (2) and (3) suggest that the TV $$$ numbers coming in for the ten-team league are not very good. So they don't want to commit to a long-term deal with that conference structure. Either do short term for survival and then revisit it soon, or expand and then go back to the market with a conference that looks different.

It seems like in the fairly near future we will know which way this has shaken out. For what it's worth Scheer did not mention the Pac-12 poaching the Big 12 as an option.

So a conference that was already behind the Big 12 adds G5 the Big 12 didn’t want? Not ideal for anyone. Further makes the non-P2 level closer to G5 than P2.

And Cal and Stanford want to be with Boise and Cal St?

All this, passing on revenue, and playing mid level G5, while some of these schools will never have a better chance to control their position and chance at being in eventual P3.

It would be making a decision on nothing but emotion.

4-5 going independent backed by ESPN is more rational than that.

 

[BCClone]

The one school that he picks is Kansas, we all know this about football and he mentions the worst school out of all of us

 

[BCClone]

So a conference that was already behind the Big 12 adds G5 the Big 12 didn’t want? Not ideal for anyone. Further makes the non-P2 level closer to G5 than P2.

And Cal and Stanford want to be with Boise and Cal St?

All this, passing on revenue, and playing mid level G5, while some of these schools will never have a better chance to control their position and chance at being in eventual P3.

It would be making a decision on nothing but emotion.

4-5 going independent backed by ESPN is more rational than that.

And we don’t need 2-4 teams that add value (now), we just need 2-4 that won’t really cut value, or very much, to cripple the PAC.

 

[cygrads]

Colorado might be the most vulnerable and open to join the Big12, from what I've gathered.

Wasn't CU the first to leave for the PAC when they saw the Big12 teetering? I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same here.

 

[qwerty]

Yeah, if all of the PAC schools improve the Big 12, then why are their media rights $20M per team less than Big 12 teams?

 

[CascadeClone]

Pretty much the same thing. Get 2, cripple the league, then decide if you want to more.

Only difference is Colorado’s elitist mentality but at this point beggars can’t be choosers. Need to cripple their league while ensuring our long-term disability.

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[WhoISthis]

And we don’t need 2-4 teams that add value (now), we just need 2-4 that won’t really cut value, or very much, to cripple the PAC.

Right but the question i,s do 2-3 schools that don’t add value now, cripple PAC?

And I think they are already crippled. We are looking to mortally wound it. End it, and as soon as possible

Boise St could add more value to the PAC deal than any of CU, AZ, or ASU. SDSU gets them so level of presence in LA, and is not that different than CU for PAC12.

If not for emotion we would have a Big 18 imo. But given how delusional the PAC (and nation) is about the Big 12 compared to PAC, you could see the 7 remaining schools be a rump conference for awhile, which is good for no one except the mountain west schools that are in it, including Cal, Oregon St, and WSU

 

[1UNI2ISU]

The PAC 12 died when they went alone on their network and we just didn't realize it at the time.

 

[BCClone]

Right but the question i,s do 2-3 schools that don’t add value now, cripple PAC?

And I think they are already crippled. We are looking to mortally wound it. End it, and as soon as possible

Boise St could add more value to the PAC deal than any of CU, AZ, or ASU. SDSU gets them so level of presence in LA, and is not that different than CU for PAC12.

If not for emotion we would have a Big 18 imo. But given how delusional the PAC (and nation) is about the Big 12 compared to PAC, you could see the 7 remaining schools be a rump conference for awhile, which is good for no one except the mountain west schools that are in it, including Cal, Oregon St, and WSU

They may not add value to us, but do to the PAC. If they are 45-50 MM schools, that is what we are expecting. The PAC is supposed to be 30 MM average so we would take their better than average team which is average to us.

 

[WhoISthis]

They may not add value to us, but do to the PAC. If they are 45-50 MM schools, that is what we are expecting. The PAC is supposed to be 30 MM average so we would take their better than average team which is average to us.

But are they 45-50 MM schools? That seems extremely unlikely. The ex-Fox Sports executive had Oregon at 30 million, which I don't buy, but would mean AZ, CU, and ASu are far from 45-50.

They are the schools just above WSU and Oregon St in value. Which is why they have interest in being proactive in locking in a spot and why they are the best chance we have at getting some movement

 

[Clonedogg]

But are they 45-50 MM schools? That seems extremely unlikely. The ex-Fox Sports executive had Oregon at 30 million, which I don't buy, but would mean AZ, CU, and ASu are far from 45-50.

They are the schools just above WSU and Oregon St in value. Which is why they have interest in being proactive in locking in a spot and why they are the best chance we have at getting some movement

ASU actually looks pretty good in many metrics, AZ and CU I agree with you.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I recall reading similar to what you say, the schools get the gear for free for athletic use. However, aren't there licensing agreements for commercially sold apparel to fans that the schools get?

I know for sure there used to be but I am not sure if that is still going on or not. One of the big deals about it is that most athletes (all scholarship, club is hit or miss) are expected to only wear the school branded athletic gear around campus. At Michigan a lot of players hated when they switched over to addidas because of it because they were no longer able to wear the nike gear they had accumulated and vice versa when they went back to Nike.

 

[2speedy1]

Breaking Down College Football's Apparel Brand Partners

From Nike to Adidas to Jordan Brand and beyond, taking stock of which sportswear companies have the strongest grip on FBS college football

boardroom.tv

Free gear, millions depending on school.

Iowa State latest deal

Made of money: Huge payouts in recent apparel deals good news for Iowa, Iowa State

Iowa and Iowa State football players will wear uniforms Saturday that are part of Nike deals totaling $2.9 million this year.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Actually looks like important apparel negotiations coming up in 2024…

This is what i was wondering if Nike could give a bigger deal like this to the schools in the Big 10. Say an extra 5-10 Mil per year for like 10 years each for the entire Big 10 to buy Oregons way into the conference.

Wondering if that would be enough to get them in, and would work. Nike gets the marketing etc that they already do, but at a higher cost, for those in the Big 10, but it gets Knights pet team into the conference.

Say they average $3M per year per Big 10 team now, they agree to pay $10M per year per team for 10 years?
Would Knight do that? Would It work?