Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

Clonefan94

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Well if Cal is so freaking valuable, then why doesn't their value translate to a better media deal for the PAC?

When was the last time anyone on this board or anywhere watched a game featuring Cal? Their own fans don't watch their games. It's obviously a great school, but their football program is a disaster right now.

The Big XII's been well above the PAC in media money for quite some time. And yet it's footprint contains far fewer large cities.

Even with UT & OU leaving, most projections had the new Big XII within a couple million of the PAC in projected media value for the leagues' respective upcoming deals. But that was with UCLA & SC included in the PAC projections.

The whole concept of "value" now pertaining to schools and media deals is being turned on its head.

Eyeballs matter in the streaming era. We've got 'em and lots of schools in larger markets don't. Small and medium market schools with passionate fan bases have way more value than they did in the past.

Outsiders my not know all of that, but I can guarantee that potential media partners know and care, especially streamers.

The perception of ISU from idiot sportswriters and PAC fans et al. will have zero effect on the value of the Big XII's media deal going forward.
The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.
 
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Just doesn’t make sense. If all of them had leverage they’d have a good TV deal without USC and UCLA.

The leverage he is talking about is in ******* Oregon State, WSU, and apparently Utah and CU.

I hope this is their plan. Utah may give up on thinking they are actually part of the club, and realize they need to look out for themselves and join CU in killing the PAC

Nothing says power conference like adding G5 schools passed on by the Big12 and forcing those schools plus two existing members to make Mountain West level revenue. As much as I think it is good to officially kill of the PAC, it would be fun to watch this death spiral
 

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The leverage he is talking about is in ******* Oregon State, WSU, and apparently Utah and CU.

I hope this is their plan. Utah may give up on thinking they are actually part of the club, and realize they need to look out for themselves and join CU in killing the PAC

Nothing says power conference like adding G5 schools passed on by the Big12 and forcing those schools plus two existing members to make Mountain West level revenue. As much as I think it is good to officially kill of the PAC, it would be fun to watch this death spiral
We all know how well unequal revenue sharing works. It takes one team (nebby, caugh, nebby, caugh) to cry foul and it’s all over. The funniest part is. The luckiest team in all of the realignment has been knebraska, they are a nobody now.
 

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The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.
The real crime about that is that it happened on the same day that Iowa's Ron Hawley took out the goalpost at Michigan St., didn't get nearly the coverage it should have because of the Stanford/Cal return.

 

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The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.

The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.


. 1982 game
 
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The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.
We played them in basketball sometime since then, believe I watched that game.
 

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Wasnt John Elway the QB for Stanford during that game?

Way back I got a VHS tape called Fabulous Finales for subscribing to Sports Illustrated, this was on it, but had a nice lead up to it. It was actually a pretty good show of great finishes from all sports up to the time it was made.
 

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The real crime about that is that it happened on the same day that Iowa's Ron Hawley took out the goalpost at Michigan St., didn't get nearly the coverage it should have because of the Stanford/Cal return.


Curious what they did for the rest of the game? Did they have a replacement in spare? Have to use the other end for the rest of the game for extra points?

It seams like I have seen another time that happened somewhere too.
 

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The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.

I think Marshawn Lynch went there?
 

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Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.

Exactly.

Last time they won a conference title Marshawn Lynch was in their backfield.

Even more telling, you’d need to go back to when Aaron Rodgers was their QB to find a game where a failure to convert a 1st and goal in the final minute against eventual national champ USC kept them out of the BCS title game.

And here is one even the most knowledgeable old-timer probably won’t guess:

Who was Cal’s last player to be selected #1 overall in the NFL draft?

Jared Goff in 2016!

In fact, their rinky-dink little program has only produced 19 first round NFL draft picks since that “Stanford Band” game in 1982.
 
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Exactly.

Last time they won a conference title Marshawn Lynch was in their backfield.

Even more telling, you’d need to go back to when Aaron Rodgers was their QB to find a game where a failure to convert a 1st and goal in the final minute against eventual national champ USC kept them out of the BCS title game.

And here is one even the most knowledgeable old-timer probably won’t guess:

Who was Cal’s last player to be selected #1 overall in the NFL draft?

Jared Goff in 2016!

In fact, their rinky-dink little program has only produced 19 first round NFL draft picks since that “Stanford Band” game in 1982.

Cal has never played in a BCS or NY6 bowl and they’ve made 3 bowls in the last 10 years. Next.
 
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Exactly.

Last time they won a conference title Marshawn Lynch was in their backfield.

Even more telling, you’d need to go back to when Aaron Rodgers was their QB to find a game where a failure to convert a 1st and goal in the final minute against eventual national champ USC kept them out of the BCS title game.

And here is one even the most knowledgeable old-timer probably won’t guess:

Who was Cal’s last player to be selected #1 overall in the NFL draft?

Jared Goff in 2016!

In fact, their rinky-dink little program has only produced 19 first round NFL draft picks since that “Stanford Band” game in 1982.
I’m not defending Cal these days but might want to check yourself before talking about their “only 19 first round draft picks since 1982” comment
 

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The last time I remember watching anything CAL, was when their returner ran over the band member, (it was a hilite.) I don’t think that game even meant anything other than a football player bowling over a band member.

Just looked it up, that game meant nothing. CAL finished 7-4 (4-4) that season. That play is literally the only reason I know they exist. It’s Stanford and Cal somehow trying to state relevance.
Let's not forget the 1996 NCAA Tournament! I watched Iowa State beat Cal with a group of Cal fans in the Bay Area at a friend's apartment. What a game!

I behaved, and I am still friends with my Cal buddy.

FTR, Shareef Abdur-Rahim (POY in Pac-10 and future Atlanta Hawk) and Tony Gonzalez (Yes, that Tony Gonzalez!) were on that Cal team.

 
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I’m not defending Cal these days but might want to check yourself before talking about their “only 19 first round draft picks since 1982” comment
Heh. That was what caught your eye?

Because you’re not a Cyclone fan it might have been easier to miss the intent.

ISU has exactly 2 conference titles in its history. These were back-to-back shared Missouri Valley titles in 1911-1912.

For reference, Cal has 5 national titles since then, beating Ohio State and Alabama in Rose Bowls for two of them. They’ve won their conference 14 times.

That lack of BCS game bit mentioned is also a bit disingenuous. Cal was ranked #4 with the aforementioned only loss coming against undefeated USC in a game that literally came down to 4th-and-goal with :41 left. They were screwed out of a Rose Bowl berth when #6 Texas was selected ahead of them.

Anyway, I say this as a diehard Cyclone fan for longer than most here have likely been alive:

There is no reasonable metric by which Cal does not have a considerably more storied program than ISU. It is laughably absurd to suggest otherwise.

Now, I’m not at all saying this matters right now in valuation or realignment position. However, it takes a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance to whine about ISU’s accomplishments being overlooked while reducing Cal’s program to a memorable wacky play in 1982.

Cal literally had the #1 overall NFL draft pick after Matt Campbell was hired at ISU! Granted, he’s now the starter for the Lions which is essentially the same as being out of the league, but still…
 

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