Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[cyatheart]

I realize that the revenue sharing scenarios are just a discussion exercise.

But I wouldn't be excited with Thompson's uneven split if I were Arizona. 1 less point bumps them to bottom tier & $4.6M less than middle tier.

But it's interesting to see where an industry insider ranks schools. CU being so low stands out.

Man I just done see any value in Colorado at all, I hope the big 12 is very thoughtful about that one if it comes to it

 

[2speedy1]

Man I just done see any value in Colorado at all, I hope the big 12 is very thoughtful about that one if it comes to it

I think Colorado gets a slight bump for the history with several of the Big 12 schools. Renewing some old rivalries may gain a slight bump in value. And angst for them leaving and coming back actually is good for rivalry interest. How much that gains them in value is debatable though.

Otherwise I agree, Colorado has fallen way down since leaving, and their value is really poor. Denver is not a market for the Buffs, they only care about the Broncos there.

I think that article hits the value of the pac schools, at least the order of them pretty accurately. Some may have more or less in the Big 12 than they do in the Pac though. As I stated for above for Colorado, may give them a bump.

Utah, may get a bump for the rivalry with BYU, but lose some because they have to split the state with BYU, etc.

 

[Clonedogg]

I think Colorado gets a slight bump for the history with several of the Big 12 schools. Renewing some old rivalries may gain a slight bump in value. And angst for them leaving and coming back actually is good for rivalry interest. How much that gains them in value is debatable though.

Otherwise I agree, Colorado has fallen way down since leaving, and their value is really poor. Denver is not a market for the Buffs, they only care about the Broncos there.

I think that article hits the value of the pac schools, at least the order of them pretty accurately. Some may have more or less in the Big 12 than they do in the Pac though. As I stated for above for Colorado, may give them a bump.

Utah, may get a bump for the rivalry with BYU, but lose some because they have to split the state with BYU, etc.

I've been on the let's be real about AZ and CO train for a while.

The part that does not make sense to me about these numbers is that the TV HH Primary is the same by what state you're in, UW/WSU: Same; UO/OSU: Same; UA/ASU: Same. So UW with the Seattle market is the same as WSU on the other side of the state? I don't see it that way, but what do I know.

 

[2speedy1]

I've been on the let's be real about AZ and CO train for a while.

The part that does not make sense to me about these numbers is that the TV HH Primary is the same by what state you're in, UW/WSU: Same; UO/OSU: Same; UA/ASU: Same. So UW with the Seattle market is the same as WSU on the other side of the state? I don't see it that way, but what do I know.

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I see what you are saying. I didnt look at the post that close to notice that.

Does that mean Iowa State gets to claim the entire state of Iowa when it comes to Media Markets? Even Iowa City and CR? I don't know that I have ever seen any article that has not divided the state up and only given us the DM Metro.

It looks to me like he is giving the entire states to each of these teams regardless of where they are located? I dont see any other way Wash and Wazzu and UO and OSU would have the exact same numbers otherwise.

If you went that route one would have to think Iowa State would also get to claim a significant chunk of KC considering the number of ISU fans there. But no one would ever give that to us, just like I dont think any media people give us CR either.

 

[Bikeryde]

All this talk about AAU is giving me deja vu from pages 150-225 lol.

 

[RustShack]

I see what you are saying. I didnt look at the post that close to notice that.

Does that mean Iowa State gets to claim the entire state of Iowa when it comes to Media Markets? Even Iowa City and CR? I don't know that I have ever seen any article that has not divided the state up and only given us the DM Metro.

It looks to me like he is giving the entire states to each of these teams regardless of where they are located? I dont see any other way Wash and Wazzu and UO and OSU would have the exact same numbers otherwise.

If you went that route one would have to think Iowa State would also get to claim a significant chunk of KC considering the number of ISU fans there. But no one would ever give that to us, just like I d

ont think any media people give us CR either.

The guy doesn’t work for Fox anymore and threw together a guess for this article. The information isn’t going to be 100%

 

[yowza]

That is not supposed to matter to AAU. Its about Research, in Med and Engineering.

They must have paid their dues.

 

[CoKane]

It's all fun in games until in 20-30 years when / if they do go to a NFL model and Iowa is left out.

There are Iowa fans on 247 who were in complete and total denial that a hyopthetical SEC/Big 10 higher power merger wouldn't want them. Because when I think of valuable markets and historical CFB money makers everyone obviously thinks of Iowa City and the Hawkeyes

 

[cybychoice]

Think about where the nfl is if there is a split to a super conference, then think about who the best teams are in those areas: Penn state, Miami, Florida, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, South Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Utah or Byu not both, Arizona or ASU not both, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon. There’s your NFL light. 32 teams covering all the Major metros and then some, if you think you need to get a team further NE than Penn State, add Rutgers or Maryland and take take out South Carolina or Kansas.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

Think about where the nfl is if there is a split to a super conference, then think about who the best teams are in those areas: Penn state, Miami, Florida, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, South Carolina, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Utah or Byu not both, Arizona or ASU not both, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, Oregon. There’s your NFL light. 32 teams covering all the Major metros and then some, if you think you need to get a team further NE than Penn State, add Rutgers or Maryland and take take out South Carolina or Kansas.

The NCAA BBall tourney would not be the hit it is today if there were only 40 teams in the pool of candidates. I hope they look long and hard and realize the same is for the NCAA. Having 100+ schools with a chance to play and win is so much better than 40. They'd be cutting out a large swath of fans that would not care anymore.

 

[7Got6]

You think Iowa would make the cut? lol @7Got6

Projecting 20-30 years is completely a fools errand. I laugh every time someone alludes to fact Iowa needs to be worried because they’re going to be cut out when there is zero evidence to support this.

1) There’s no example in recent history, or to my knowledge ever, an example of any university getting booted from a conference. Let alone a major institution like U of I.

2) Iowa is in the top half of the B10 in brand value and will always get tremendous support from the state with no professional teams. There’s a significant list of schools that would be cut out before Iowa in the highly unlikely event that were to come into play.

3) I’m not an expert in B10 bylaws but I’m guessing there are rules that make it very difficult to expunge any university once they’re admitted.

I get it, fans of ISU don’t like the reality that Iowa is further separating itself and are looking for ways to comfort themselves by saying “Iowa, you’re next!” That’s just not at all based on reality.

 

[JM4CY]

Projecting 20-30 years is completely a fools errand. (Then why is not a valid hypothetical to imagine a scenario when contraction occurs?) I laugh every time someone alludes to fact Iowa needs to be worried because they’re going to be cut out when there is zero evidence to support this.

1) There’s no example in recent history, or to my knowledge ever, an example of any university getting booted from a conference. (A lot of what has happened doesn't have many or any examples at all of it happening before) Let alone a major institution like U of I. (LOL)

2) Iowa is in the top half of the B10 in brand value and will always get tremendous support from the state with no professional teams. (And support the state means what in realignment?)

3) I’m not an expert in B10 bylaws but I’m guessing there are rules that make it very difficult to expunge any university once they’re admitted. (Probably true. But it's not like the BIG hasn't even bent the rules before. We'll see.)

I get it, fans of ISU don’t like the reality that Iowa is further separating itself and are looking for ways to comfort themselves by saying “Iowa, you’re next!” That’s just not at all based on reality. (We get it, you root for Iowa and therefore logic and reason be damned. We're aware.)

See above.

 

[BryceC]

Projecting 20-30 years is completely a fools errand.

You could have stopped there. Nobody could have possibly guessed where we would be 20-30 years ago to get here.

 

[cybychoice]

The NCAA BBall tourney would not be the hit it is today if there were only 40 teams in the pool of candidates. I hope they look long and hard and realize the same is for the NCAA. Having 100+ schools with a chance to play and win is so much better than 40. They'd be cutting out a large swath of fans that would not care anymore.

I don’t disagree, I was just pointing out what an “nfl light” model would look like. Ideally there would be 8 10 team conferences with an 8 team playoff. If that happened I think college sports would be in a great spot.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

There are more benefits to AAU affiliation than the hope of a B1G invite. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I have a hard time believing ISU decided to relinquish its AAU affiliation on its own just because it no longer believed in the AAU mission. Right or wrong, it's still viewed as a pretty prestigious credential for any school. Oregon and others may very well be on the verge of losing their affiliation as well.

It's very likely a bit of all of this. The AAU told Iowa State that its research dollars or whatever weren't cutting it and they needed to go up or else their membership would be reviewed. ISU probably played along with this for a while before realizing they were likely postponing the inevitable. The university brass didn't want to participate in the dog and pony show (that is biased against ag-heavy universities without medical schools) and they genuinely believe that the direction of the AAU is going opposite of the mission of schools like Iowa State. They probably waited until Jamie Pollard assured them that there was no chance of a B1G invite. Once that happened, the brass decided to back out instead of trying to play along and maybe hang around the AAU for another five years.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Projecting 20-30 years is completely a fools errand. I laugh every time someone alludes to fact Iowa needs to be worried because they’re going to be cut out when there is zero evidence to support this.

1) There’s no example in recent history, or to my knowledge ever, an example of any university getting booted from a conference. Let alone a major institution like U of I.

2) Iowa is in the top half of the B10 in brand value and will always get tremendous support from the state with no professional teams. There’s a significant list of schools that would be cut out before Iowa in the highly unlikely event that were to come into play.

3) I’m not an expert in B10 bylaws but I’m guessing there are rules that make it very difficult to expunge any university once they’re admitted.

I get it, fans of ISU don’t like the reality that Iowa is further separating itself and are looking for ways to comfort themselves by saying “Iowa, you’re next!” That’s just not at all based on reality.

Wasn't that long ago. From a BCS (power) conference, no less.

TEMPLE FOOTBALL OUSTED FROM BIG EAST - The Temple News

It may be for only one more season, but the Temple football team plans on playing in the Big East football conference. The Big East voted recently to kick Temple out of the conference after 10 failed seasons. Temple has never finished the season higher than second-to-last. When the conference...

temple-news.com

Iowa's not next by any means but they are probably on the wrong side of the line when this all comes to its natural conclusion, in my view. No one can predict the future confidently because the last two years of realignment have changed the picture dramatically. Anything from pre-2021 is not a useful guide.

There are definitely people on here that fit into (3), but you should also consider the possibility that your own fanhood is coloring your expectations for realignment. Everyone has a rosier picture for their school than reality.

 

[Gonzo]

It's very likely a bit of all of this. The AAU told Iowa State that its research dollars or whatever weren't cutting it and they needed to go up or else their membership would be reviewed. ISU probably played along with this for a while before realizing they were likely postponing the inevitable. The university brass didn't want to participate in the dog and pony show (that is biased against ag-heavy universities without medical schools) and they genuinely believe that the direction of the AAU is going opposite of the mission of schools like Iowa State. They probably waited until Jamie Pollard assured them that there was no chance of a B1G invite. Once that happened, the brass decided to back out instead of trying to play along and maybe hang around the AAU for another five years.

Agree.

 

[Statefan10]

Projecting 20-30 years is completely a fools errand. I laugh every time someone alludes to fact Iowa needs to be worried because they’re going to be cut out when there is zero evidence to support this.

1) There’s no example in recent history, or to my knowledge ever, an example of any university getting booted from a conference. Let alone a major institution like U of I.

2) Iowa is in the top half of the B10 in brand value and will always get tremendous support from the state with no professional teams. There’s a significant list of schools that would be cut out before Iowa in the highly unlikely event that were to come into play.

3) I’m not an expert in B10 bylaws but I’m guessing there are rules that make it very difficult to expunge any university once they’re admitted.

I get it, fans of ISU don’t like the reality that Iowa is further separating itself and are looking for ways to comfort themselves by saying “Iowa, you’re next!” That’s just not at all based on reality.

I mean this sentence is ridiculous lol. You were born on 3rd base in this scenario. Iowa's obviously making a better case than say Rutgers but let's pump the breaks a bit.

I do agree with the fact that there's been zero evidence of schools getting booted out of the conference and therefore what I'm insinuating is far out there. I'm just saying "if" there are only two conferences some day and those conferences are made up of a small amount of schools, I'd be shocked to see Iowa there.

 

[jcyclonee]

Man I just done see any value in Colorado at all, I hope the big 12 is very thoughtful about that one if it comes to it

Colorado has real upside. They are located near a large and growing metropolitan area and they were a very good brand in the Big 8 and early Big 12.

 

[VeloClone]

Wasn't that long ago. From a BCS (power) conference, no less.

TEMPLE FOOTBALL OUSTED FROM BIG EAST - The Temple News

It may be for only one more season, but the Temple football team plans on playing in the Big East football conference. The Big East voted recently to kick Temple out of the conference after 10 failed seasons. Temple has never finished the season higher than second-to-last. When the conference...

temple-news.com

Iowa's not next by any means but they are probably on the wrong side of the line when this all comes to its natural conclusion, in my view. No one can predict the future confidently because the last two years of realignment have changed the picture dramatically. Anything from pre-2021 is not a useful guide.

There are definitely people on here that fit into (3), but you should also consider the possibility that your own fanhood is coloring your expectations for realignment. Everyone has a rosier picture for their school than reality.

And it has happened recently at other levels as well. St. Thomas kicked out of the conference they helped found in 1920 because they were dominating pretty much all of the sports. In the league's defense the Tommies have over twice as many students as the next largest schools in the league so it isn't a great fit anymore.

St. Thomas (MN) Kicked Out Of Conference - Collegiate Baseball Newspaper

baseballnews.com

University of St Thomas kicked out of conference for winning too much

The Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has decided to oust the University of St Thomas for competitive purposes

www.theguardian.com