Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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It’s incredibly optimistic to think we’d get 4 autos in the event the P2 expanding again leads to the aforementioned schools joining the Big 12
Given we gave up having a final say in the new format, it’s probably a 0% chance
Maybe 3, but probably 2, imo
Our TV deal would increase, but I’m not sure how much. If ESPN were willing to pay too much more for FSU and Clemson, they’d move them to the SEC
In the event FSU and Clemson don’t get a P2 invite, which conference survives may come down to how much the lower 1/2 or 2/3 schools are willing to give up.
Reading the ACC forums, many believe they are a lock for the Big 10 or SEC. Really? I say both conferences don't go above 20.. Cal thinks they are a package deal with Stanford. Georgia Tech thinks today is great news as they go back to the SEC. And so on. We saw this with the Pac but there won't be as many chairs this time around. Big 12 takes 4.
Honestly, I’m a hard pass on any school that would require unequal revenue distribution at this point. We’re never going to catch the B1G/SEC. Right now, the Big 12 should focus on what makes us unique: being the most exciting and competitive conference in America. Let the big egos rip a part other conferences like Texas tried to do to us. I suspect if we stick to our guns, there will be plenty of solid programs out there who would consider jumping for the guaranteed pay day of a Big 12 equal media rights share over the budgetary nightmare that is whatever crap the ACC (and soon to be others) will be doing.
You don't have to 'pay in full'. You can share up to the limit but it doesn't mean that you have to use the entire limit.
There are lots of schools out there, mainly HBCUs and low majors, that are going to really surprise people when they opt in.
Anyone who doesnt pay in full will quickly become a 2nd tier program. For example, if WVU doesnt pay in full, come 2031, it would not be a surprise if the big 12 booted WVU for NC State who does pay in full and has a better program outlook.
I used WVU just as an example. WVU's AD has already said WVU will fully fund the House settlement. But if Houston doesn't, and ACC brands are available, hard choices may need to be made.
to remain competitive schools will not only have to fully fund the house settlement, they will still need to have NIL deals for top stars. we are talking 30-35 million in additional expenses schools will have to budget. And not every current school in the big 12 is going to be able to find that kind of money on an annual basis.
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Houston took a lot of crap for being one of the four teams taken in the Big XII expansion a few rounds ago. Not another Texas team, small attendance, Cougar High, etc. You know, I think they were a really solid add to the Conference! Go Coogs! 
Yes and No, glad to see Houston win last night, their MBB has been top notch for years, but their football program, the sport that brings in the money has struggled and will continue to struggle in the league. People that thought the league did not need another Texas team, and I was one of them, was basing it on football and football alone.Houston took a lot of crap for being one of the four teams taken in the Big XII expansion a few rounds ago. Not another Texas team, small attendance, Cougar High, etc. You know, I think they were a really solid add to the Conference! Go Coogs!
Houston took a lot of crap for being one of the four teams taken in the Big XII expansion a few rounds ago. Not another Texas team, small attendance, Cougar High, etc. You know, I think they were a really solid add to the Conference! Go Coogs!
Surprisingly, it seems Cincinnati is the only one not really living up to the expectations from that group. BYU and UCF have made the transition just fine as well and representing the conference well.
For the next group, Utah is on notice.
They hired Willie Fritz. They're going to be just fine.
Let's rank the schools 1 through 16 based on how attractive they have been in their first year.
1. Colorado is at the top based on TV ratings, which drive everything. Its commitment to NIL and its football success get them here.
2. Arizona State has to be 2, with its Big 12 title in football, and it is also the Big 12's best team in baseball so far this season.
3. Iowa State? 2nd in football, very solid in hoops, but no baseball. Baseball can be a money-making sport. WVU had over 4600 fans for a weeknight game this week.
4. BYU. BYU argues for 1. Good at football, basketball, and has a decent baseball team. Also the very top of the NIL heap. Not only has it signed the top basketball player, but it's also going toe-to-toe with Oregon, Michigan, and USC for the top QB.
5. Texas Tech. NIL is elevating Tech's sports across the board.
16. Utah or Cinn?
1. Colorado is at the top based on TV ratings, which drive everything. Its commitment to NIL and its football success get them here.
2. Arizona State has to be 2, with its Big 12 title in football, and it is also the Big 12's best team in baseball so far this season.
3. Iowa State? 2nd in football, very solid in hoops, but no baseball. Baseball can be a money-making sport. WVU had over 4600 fans for a weeknight game this week.
4. BYU. BYU argues for 1. Good at football, basketball, and has a decent baseball team. Also the very top of the NIL heap. Not only has it signed the top basketball player, but it's also going toe-to-toe with Oregon, Michigan, and USC for the top QB.
5. Texas Tech. NIL is elevating Tech's sports across the board.
16. Utah or Cinn?
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Old SWC rivalries. Reduced travel impact
Went through due diligence before by the conference
Largest Texas city
Had rich alumni who could pour resources in
Basketball heritage
I didn’t like adding another Texas team but I realized this was one of the best options we had at the time.
Houston checked a lot of boxes for Big 12.
Old SWC rivalries. Reduced travel impact
Went through due diligence before by the conference
Largest Texas city
Had rich alumni who could pour resources in
Basketball heritage
I didn’t like adding another Texas team but I realized this was one of the best options we had at the time.
My only take on this is, yeah I would love to have Baseball back, but it will never happen, especially now that we are entering the era of pay for play. No way it would ever become a money maker, I would love to know if there is any school that actually breaks even let alone makes money on Baseball. Even selling out a 5k seat stadium would not come close to making money with all the costs of a sport. Especially with $10 a seat tickets. Womens Basketball averages close to double that in attendance and doesnt make money.
That being said you put Colorado in first, but dont knock them for not having Baseball as well?
Keep in mind WVU is also one of the few without Track, Golf, and/or softball etc. Very few schools have every sport, some prioritize different sports. And frankly it is likely many of these money losing sports will probably soon be on the chopping block as we enter in to the paying player era.
edit: not to mention the idiotic season schedule they play starting in February for baseball and softball. Its supposed to be a summer sport, and should start in April at the earliest. For northern teams this is a season killer.
Unfortunately, this is a fantasy under what has become of "college" athletics, when is the last time you heard of a football or basketball player being ineligible for academics anywhere? You think the quarterback making millions really cares about class, do you think the AD would let them not pass?
Houston has been good in football before, and has the ability to get there again. All it takes is the right coaching hire.
WVU has one of the three best indoor baseball facilities in the country, thanks to a very generous donation from Ken Kendrick. So the early start isn't really that bad.
$775,901 in net profit
The WVU baseball program is a moneymaker for the school, generating a net profit of $775,901. The athletic program as a whole has an annual economic impact of $302.7 million to the state and $78.8 million to the county2. Most of the revenue comes from visitor and fan spending3.WVU does have a golf team, and I think it's a good one.
WVU rifle team won its 20th national title this year! Maybe a money maker with all of the WVU rifle t-shirts that get sold! Additionally, it typically attracts around 5-6 people, with approximately 1,000 to 2,000 spectators.
I read that WVU does not have a womens golf team, maybe I am wrong.
I thought WVUs field was outdoor as well, so if they have an indoor venue then that would help a lot. But then again, finding someone to donate $millions for a new indoor baseball facility at ISU would be near impossible. So having to play away from home for the entire first 3/4 of the season or play in sub freezing temps where no fans attend is going to be a pretty hard sell.
That being said i will always say having the season start so early is a huge handicap for any northern teams, and the main reason that 95% of good teams are from the south.
Here is ISUs financials for last year. I dont know the numbers for baseball when we had it but I am pretty sure it never made a profit. Good for WVU being able to, but the fact still remains I am sure it is a money loser for more colleges than it is a maker, and in the future with revenue sharing that is only going to get worse. No major University is going to want to have these sports if they are going to cost even more and take away from the sports that do make money.
I hate that it is this way, I wish we had several more sports at ISU but we dont, and short of a Mega donor pushing to bring back and/or pay for said sport I doubt we will ever see any new ones added, outside possibly womens wrestling, and even that is probably a long shot.
How is women's track and field/cross country the sport that is least unprofitable/closest to self supporting of the non-revenue sports, with revenues approaching those of women's basketball?
I would have guessed it to be way farther down the list.
I would have guessed it to be way farther down the list.
We need to cut down on those expenses for non-revenue sports. Especially as the revenue sharing cap increases.
Hopefully there comes a time in which the non-revenue are back to playing mostly local schools in which expenses are more in line with revenue
