How is rebounding not the talk of the town? WTF! +11 against OU, and like -10 or something against Baylor. Thoughts?
Rebounds
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There was a significant difference in effort/hustle plays between those two games.
Also, Baylor is a much MUCH better rebounding team than OU.
Also, Baylor is a much MUCH better rebounding team than OU.
OU went pretty small in the second half, which helped.
But I also heard they only had 4 rebounds or something like that when we reached our 20th. Crazy
But I also heard they only had 4 rebounds or something like that when we reached our 20th. Crazy
McKay was awesome, and our guards just seemed quicker to the ball compared to OU's. I think that's one of those things where home court advantage on a short turnaround may help you out.
Our inside play really frustrated Lattin. You could see with the way he took whacks at Nader and Monte.
Our inside play really frustrated Lattin. You could see with the way he took whacks at Nader and Monte.
Not by a reliable metric.
On Offensive Rebounding Percentage, Baylor rebounds 42.5% of their misses (5th nationally). OU rebounds 31.5% of their misses (149th nationally). (we are at 29%, 225th )
The important number wasn't the difference it was ISU grabbing 80% of defensive rebounds. That is a winning number. The my blocked out well and went after the ball. if they keep that up they will keep getting wins especially if they can do it on the road.
Defense and rebounding are the two areas that will determine the ceiling for this team.
When we defend and rebound, we're an elite team. When we don't, we aren't...it really is that simple with this group.
We've been good offensively the last 2 games, but it's not like we've shot lights out...it just goes to show how good this group can be when they are engaged defensively. We just beat the #1 team in the nation without shooting lights out, when they were unconscious from 3pt range...and it wasn't a fluke or luck.
Hopefully it also silences the bozo's talking about how this group is incapable of playing defense, and doesn't have '2 way players' to be effective on that end of the court...this group CAN play good defense. It just comes down to staying consistent with focus and effort.
When we defend and rebound, we're an elite team. When we don't, we aren't...it really is that simple with this group.
We've been good offensively the last 2 games, but it's not like we've shot lights out...it just goes to show how good this group can be when they are engaged defensively. We just beat the #1 team in the nation without shooting lights out, when they were unconscious from 3pt range...and it wasn't a fluke or luck.
Hopefully it also silences the bozo's talking about how this group is incapable of playing defense, and doesn't have '2 way players' to be effective on that end of the court...this group CAN play good defense. It just comes down to staying consistent with focus and effort.
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I think this game makes it even more frustrating (in a good way). Now they have shown how well they can play on defense, its frustrating to think how they could've played previously. They also have to work at keeping that intensity up no matter what team they're playing.
Niang was especially good in help defense on Hield, and Spangler struggled big-time. McKay was more effective than he has been all season. Hopefully he can keep up whatever he was doing last night.
Meh...the season is a process of adjusting to the new coach, adjusting to the loss of Naz, the introduction of Burton. What's important is that they get it now (and the intensity isn't as much of an issue as what Coach Prohm said- not taking bad shots which leads to transition opportunities for the other team).
That's the best I've seen Jameel all season. 13 boards, 4 blocks and who knows how many altered shots...he was in 'beast mode' last night.
Sure you want to be consistent in focus and effort. It's important, but not everything. Depends a lot on matchups too. Like, does the team have good post play? How are they attacking the boards so they don't get 2nd chance pts. For example, Niang can guard Spangler better than guarding Ellis. OU makes a lot of 3's, they present a different challenge. Just think Baylor is a tough matchup for us, but KU might be worse. Thomas will have to guard a quick 2nd pg. on the floor in Graham, which puts Nader on Seldon, and Niang on Ellis. Boy, idk. Look forward to see if they can continue to improve and be effective on the defensive end, tho. But first TCU!
That doesn't mean they are an elite rebounding team. Even looking at rebounding margin they are 47th (Baylor is 11th).
As much as us fans would like to blame "effort and mental toughness" for any lack of rebounding, often times it simply comes down to how the ball bounces (literally).
In the previous few games, it seemed that we had many good defensive possessions that ended with 1-2 missed shots, where the ball bounced right to Texas or Baylor.
It's really hard to get 3 straight stops in one series.
On a similar note, I loved it when Lattin had a huge block, that bounced right to Niang for the 3. Those are the types of plays we seemed to be on the opposite end of recently.
Obviously there are variables with defense and rebounding...sometimes the opponent will just hit tough shots (see last night), and sometimes even if you box out, it'll be a long rebound off a miss. When those things happen you tip your cap and move onto the next play.
But the whole point and emphasis of defense and rebounding is to control what you can control (boxing out, getting a hand up, being quick with rotations, hustling back in transition, etc)...and when we do those things we're very difficult to beat. And those are things that we can control regardless of whether we're playing Oklahoma or Arkansas-Pine Bluff.
We've seen a night and day difference on how we've handled those things from the OU and KSU games to the way we had been playing the previous few games.
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McKat and Nader either listened in team meeting or were reading CF. MUCH IMPROVED FROM PREVIOUS GAMES.
