SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

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Maybe there aren’t good excuses, but there are good reasons to have 3 protected rivalries: they have three rivalries.

That's still not a good reason. The conference is too damn big to give a school 3 protected rivalries. Nobody else in the conference has that luxury.
 

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That's still not a good reason. The conference is too damn big to give a school 3 protected rivalries. Nobody else in the conference has that luxury.
It’s a perfectly good reason even if you don’t want to accept it. The conference is too big, it shouldn’t be that big, but if you’re going to protect rivalries, Iowa should have three. Otherwise, what other school gets ****** over?

And I don’t think it is a luxury. Because the odd team out is probably Wisconsin, and in the past 30 years they have been in the top half of the league over 20 times. So even before you get to your rotating games you know at least one of them will be difficult
 

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It’s a perfectly good reason even if you don’t want to accept it. The conference is too big, it shouldn’t be that big, but if you’re going to protect rivalries, Iowa should have three. Otherwise, what other school gets ****** over?

And I don’t think it is a luxury. Because the odd team out is probably Wisconsin, and in the past 30 years they have been in the top half of the league over 20 times. So even before you get to your rotating games you know at least one of them will be difficult

Why should Iowa be the exception? Nobody else in the conference gets 3.
 
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Did any of the others fight for three rivals and not get them?

And why should Wisconsin or Minnesota not play their two traditional rivals or Nebraska not get their rivalry game?
If the Rose Bowl can part ways with a perfect sunset surely other concessions can be made.
 
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Did any of the others fight for three rivals and not get them?

And why should Wisconsin or Minnesota not play their two traditional rivals or Nebraska not get their rivalry game?
No. If two schools both requested one another as a protect rival, they got it. It had to be mutual. Each school could have up to 3. Penn St. has zero protected rivalries, obviously wanting to avoid tOSU and Michigan every year.
 

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The BCS was unpopular with the fans because it only picked two teams. Put that system in to pick the 12 teams and it’d be fine.

The BCS was unpopular with the TV talking heads because they couldn’t influence the selection of the teams with the way they covered them.

A straight algorithm is the most fair way to judge teams. Everyone knows at the start of the season how the teams will be selected. That algorithm can be tweaked over time to give preference to different criteria, but ultimately what matters is everyone is graded on that same scale. None of this BS about giving different reasons for selecting a team or not selecting a team with inconsistent reasoning.
If the composite BCS ranking algorithms (Wolfe, Billingsley, Sagarin, Massey, Colley, Anderson & Hester) were used to select last season's CFP teams, it would have shook out as follows. Final CFP rankings are in parenthesis:

1 Oregon (1)
2 Georgia (2)
3 Notre Dame (5)
4 Ohio St (6)
5 Texas (3)
6 Penn St (4)
7 Indiana (8)
8 Alabama (11)
9 Arizona St (12)
10 SMU (10)
11 Tennessee (7)
12 South Carolina (15)
13 Boise St (9)
14 Clemson (16)
15 Miami (FL) (13)
16 Mississippi (14)
17 BYU (17)
18 Iowa St (18)
19 LSU (Not Ranked)
20 Missouri (10)

The two major changes from actual CFP selection/seeding if the composite ranking was used are Arizona St would have received the first round bye ahead of Boise (and played in the Fiesta) and Alabama would have been selected as an at-large instead of Tennessee. The biggest eff up by the CFP Committee was obviously seeding Boise ahead of ASU and maybe that was influenced by ASU not being a pre-season ranked team. Picking Tennessee over Bama wasn't as egregious given Tennessee's regular season win over Bama.
 
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If the composite BCS ranking algorithms (Wolfe, Billingsley, Sagarin, Massey, Colley, Anderson & Hester) were used to select last season's CFP teams, it would have shook out as follows. Final CFP rankings are in parenthesis:

1 Oregon (1)
2 Georgia (2)
3 Notre Dame (5)
4 Ohio St (6)
5 Texas (3)
6 Penn St (4)
7 Indiana (8)
8 Alabama (11)
9 Arizona St (12)
10 SMU (10)
11 Tennessee (7)
12 South Carolina (15)
13 Boise St (9)
14 Clemson (16)
15 Miami (FL) (13)
16 Mississippi (14)
17 BYU (17)
18 Iowa St (18)
19 LSU (Not Ranked)
20 Missouri (10)

The two major changes from actual CFP selection/seeding if the composite ranking was used are Arizona St would have received the first round bye instead of Boise and Alabama would have been selected as an at-large instead of Tennessee. The biggest eff up by the CFP Committee was obviously seeding Boise ahead of ASU and maybe that was influenced by ASU not being a pre-season ranked team. Picking Tennessee over Bama wasn't as egregious given Tennessee's regular season win over Bama.

And I’m fine with that. If those teams are genuinely the best rated teams, then so be it. The Big12 had a down year last year with teams like Kansas crapping the bed in the non-conference, so it shouldn’t have been ranked highly. I just want an algorithm with known and agreed upon inputs and weightings to be able to quantitatively select teams rather than a committee that seems to have different criteria for why individual teams were or were not selected.
 
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If the composite BCS ranking algorithms (Wolfe, Billingsley, Sagarin, Massey, Colley, Anderson & Hester) were used to select last season's CFP teams, it would have shook out as follows. Final CFP rankings are in parenthesis:

1 Oregon (1)
2 Georgia (2)
3 Notre Dame (5)
4 Ohio St (6)
5 Texas (3)
6 Penn St (4)
7 Indiana (8)
8 Alabama (11)
9 Arizona St (12)
10 SMU (10)
11 Tennessee (7)
12 South Carolina (15)
13 Boise St (9)
14 Clemson (16)
15 Miami (FL) (13)
16 Mississippi (14)
17 BYU (17)
18 Iowa St (18)
19 LSU (Not Ranked)
20 Missouri (10)

The two major changes from actual CFP selection/seeding if the composite ranking was used are Arizona St would have received the first round bye instead of Boise and Alabama would have been selected as an at-large instead of Tennessee. The biggest eff up by the CFP Committee was obviously seeding Boise ahead of ASU and maybe that was influenced by ASU not being a pre-season ranked team. Picking Tennessee over Bama wasn't as egregious given Tennessee's regular season win over Bama.
Didn’t Arizona State have a bye too?
 

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So where's the other news where the Big 12 and ACC were using the straight seeding as a negotiation ploy (ranked no lower than 8th & home game for conference champs, automatic bids dropped)? Yeah, that is what I thought.
 

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I'm not sure why the other conferences agreed to go along with this. I wouldn't trust the Big 10 or SEC at all
 

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Under the new rules, P2 gets the top 8 seeds (with ND snuck in there). So 4 byes, and 4 home games.

L.O.F.L. I mean, why even bother with the pretense anymore?
Yeah, even if say Isu or k state ran the table they are never going to send an sec team into a blizzard to play a big 12 team