SIAP: Travis Hines with a great article

[Tornado man]

Hines needs to get out more. "Failures met with biting vitriol" from our fans? What BS.
The folks I met and talked with in Ames today were disappointed, but optimistic about next year. They idolize their Cyclones. Hines is so focused on twitter and social media that he thinks it's representative of the other 99.9% of Cyclone Nation. What a primitive assumption.
BTW, it's so "safe" for media folks to criticize fans instead of players or coaches. You see, Hines doesn't need us fans to return his calls or his texts...

 

[Tre4ISU]

I think our fanbase is probably a bit worse than others. There is a sense of urgency and desperation in our fanbase because we see any success as fleeting...with good reason. It's easy for blue bloods to take disappointment in stride because there is always a new batch of McDonalds All-Americans and next year to look forward to. With ISU fans, we can never feel comfortable. even with Fred and the potential for years of success, it feels like it could crumble at any time if he decides to move on to the NBA. We had unprecedented success in basketball for two years, which was followed by controversy and a decade of mostly terrible basketball. Football is...well...it's been ISU football. A major upset here or there, and just wide right of accomplishing some great things at times, but mostly terrible. You can hardly blame us if we are a little bat **** crazy.

Our fanbase is really insecure . You can tell whenever someone in the national media says something that doesn't praise ISU or when we simply aren't mentioned.

Also, you whiners who are complaining about spending $1000 on season tickets and feel like you are owed a NCAA tournament run should check yourself. If you paid to go to Louisville, you maybe have a point. You aren't owed things because you paid money for a sporting event. Good grief.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Hines needs to get out more. "Failures met with biting vitriol" from our fans? What BS.
The folks I met and talked with in Ames today were disappointed, but optimistic about next year. They idolize their Cyclones. Hines is so focused on twitter and social media that he thinks it's representative of the other 99.9% of Cyclone Nation. What a primitive assumption.
It's so "safe" to criticize fans instead of players or coaches. You, see, Hines doesn't need us fans to return his calls or his texts...

Yeah, and your view because you talked to 5 people in Ames is much less primitive. Wake up, social media reaches the most people and therefor is most important as far as reaching the players. They couldn't give a **** less what you and your buddies talk about and they never hear.

 

[Tornado man]

Yeah, and your view because you talked to 5 people in Ames is much less primitive. Wake up, social media reaches the most people and therefor is most important as far as reaching the players. They couldn't give a **** less what you and your buddies talk about and they never hear.

If the players are upset about this made up "biting vitriol" from our fan base (and it's indeed a fallacy) then get the hell off twitter. Other players from other programs do.
But of course, if their ego won't allow it...

 

[CYVADER]

Good article, sorry we have high expectations. Not a season ticket holder and I still spent 1000+ dollars to watch them play 3 games this year. I think if Hines and some of these other reporters had to spend the money watching these teams (football,bball) they would understand what it feels like. (Not what so ever implying that it's ok to go after players on Twitter, that's bs.) But to understand what it's like to spend huge amounts of money following these teams and supporting ISU. Maybe then they will understand why fans get so upset when expectations are not met.

Am a season ticket holder and spent quite a bit more than $1000 to watch them in kc alone let alone donations and season tickets. You can be upset, but to be upset at a 18-22 year old kid who didn't meet YOUR expectations while playing on HIS team is sad. I for one will remember the good things about this team.

 

[boone7247]

ISU sports are entertainment.

If you got taken out to dinner/taken to a movie and didn't have to pay would you be estatic if the meal/film didn't meet expectations? Most likely not but you would be content becuase you got a free meal/ a few hours of free entertainment.

If I didn't go to ISU, give 1000's of dollars in donations/football tickets/following and supporting the basketball team would I be content with making the tournement? Yes.

But I do so I get frustrated when expectations are not met. Don't worry though, I took JP's ticket increases to the nuts and will be sitting in the south end zone club cheering on a 4 win football team and spend the same money supporting ISU basketball.

Don't appreciate people who don't have any of there own cash in supporting ISU telling me how to feel about my expectations. still think Hines is a great writer though.

Loyal son forever true.

This is the problem with ISU fan support right now, we have had just enough success that a whole new group of fans pours money into the AD, without the benefit of the hindsight of what ISU sports have been or are. Expectation are great, and we all have them, I have been and ISU fan my whole life, and I have many friends that live and die with the cyclones, and for ****s sake my best friend put his fist through a wall yesterday. We can all be irrational. But to take an arrogant attitude that as a fan you are owed more just because you spend money on a team, is a bad tact.
A) this is sports, ISU loses in the first round, New England loses the Super Bowl when they are undefeated. That is part of the entertainment, you invest, whether emotionally or financially or both, you have a risk of loss.
B) if we are going to start measuring financial dicks, ISU is going to lose, we don't have a T Boone Pickens or Phil Knight coming through that door, if money won games, Texas, OSU, Oregon and Ohio state would win everything.
C) **** happens. The team came out fired up, got beat up on some foul calls and never got their **** together after that. No one expects them to lose to UAB. You think you feel bad, you should be one of those players, you gave money. They literally gave blood sweat and tears.
D) **** you for thinking you are better than someone because you spent money on something. You aren't owed anymore than anyone else, your ticket entitles you to enjoy the entertainment in front of you when you are in your seat. It doesn't entitle you to anything else.
E) If you are really a loyal son for ever true as your post says, you would shut your ******* trap on an anonymous message board, and ask JP and Holberg what more you can do to make their jobs easier so they can met your expectations. ******** about how much you spent isn't going to get anything done, and it certainly doesn't help fix any problems in the AD.

But i do owe you a thank you, you reminded me why I stay away from this message board for at minimum of two days. Not because I am upset about a bad loss, but because of posts like this that prove just how ignorant a certain segment of our fan base really is.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Hines needs to get out more. "Failures met with biting vitriol" from our fans? What BS.
The folks I met and talked with in Ames today were disappointed, but optimistic about next year. They idolize their Cyclones. Hines is so focused on twitter and social media that he thinks it's representative of the other 99.9% of Cyclone Nation. What a primitive assumption.
BTW, it's so "safe" for media folks to criticize fans instead of players or coaches. You see, Hines doesn't need us fans to return his calls or his texts...

If someone calls you a **** on Twitter but you don't read it, are you still a ****?

 

[swarthmoreCY]

As a whole, Cyclone fans are some of the best there are. See: Big 12 tourney this year.
People that generalize about the Cyclone fan base annoy the **** out of me. I think the coaches and the team should have a lot more to worry about than a few ***hole fans.

What about KC? Attending games and being ******** when the team does not play to your liking are not mutually exclusive. Go to Hilton, read CF, Facebook, twitter... the undeserved vitriolic feedback was not limited to the fringe.

It is predictible people get butthurt when the criticism is turned on them, but Hines article was right on. And remember this is not Hines opinion, he is passing on what some in the program feel. Of course, we can talk about how lucky they are to have us due to what other teams have not given us and throw insults at them. That will prove they are wrong!

Please, bring up our lack of previous success. Hines already called it.

 

[Clone_12]

Nothing but compliments from every other school about our fans in Kansas City. As others have said on here, with social media the way it is now, there are always going to be morons that are loud and unavoidable...it doesn't make it right, but it's pry only going to get worse as we continue to gain momentum as a program, and it goes on literally everywhere else that has success as well. (just as bad, if not worse)

For every insult though there are 50-100 compliments...and rather than focusing on the minimal amount of fans that do it like a few on here do, people should be giving our players more support.

Most schools would kill to get the support our guys get every night, and the way some people make it seem, our fanbase just flat-out sucks.

 

[Cyientist]

Liked the Hines' article, and I think many posts in this thread proves his point. We ISU fans love being told how great we are, but there is definitely a faction that is quick to turn on players when we lose a game we think we shouldn't. I was disgusted to see Hilton nearly empty during the Baylor game w/ a minute left. 1st home game we lose in 3 yrs to a team not named Kansas and we show up our team instead of supporting them for the amazing run.

 

[Cyclones01]

I guess to each his own. I have FB and BB season tickets because I ENJOY watching my cyclones play ball. For me it is entertainment and not an investment. I don't feel the teams owe me anything, I feel I owe them the support of cheering them on win or lose. They work their butts off year round to entertain me for a couple hours at a time for a couple months of the year. I don't expect them to do anything, but I want them to see them succeed. When things like yesterday happen I don't get mad, I feel bad for the players and coaches because of how much they put into their passion.

Completely agree. I'm equally ****** when we lose, whether I spent a ton of money to see it or not. It may suck more because I have to think about it longer, but I don't feel like I've been slighted. I guarantee that no fan is more upset about the loss than the team and coaching staff. They've got a hell of a lot more invested in it than any of us

 

[howie]

This is the problem with ISU fan support right now, we have had just enough success that a whole new group of fans pours money into the AD, without the benefit of the hindsight of what ISU sports have been or are. Expectation are great, and we all have them, I have been and ISU fan my whole life, and I have many friends that live and die with the cyclones, and for ****s sake my best friend put his fist through a wall yesterday. We can all be irrational. But to take an arrogant attitude that as a fan you are owed more just because you spend money on a team, is a bad tact.
A) this is sports, ISU loses in the first round, New England loses the Super Bowl when they are undefeated. That is part of the entertainment, you invest, whether emotionally or financially or both, you have a risk of loss.
B) if we are going to start measuring financial dicks, ISU is going to lose, we don't have a T Boone Pickens or Phil Knight coming through that door, if money won games, Texas, OSU, Oregon and Ohio state would win everything.
C) **** happens. The team came out fired up, got beat up on some foul calls and never got their **** together after that. No one expects them to lose to UAB. You think you feel bad, you should be one of those players, you gave money. They literally gave blood sweat and tears.
D) **** you for thinking you are better than someone because you spent money on something. You aren't owed anymore than anyone else, your ticket entitles you to enjoy the entertainment in front of you when you are in your seat. It doesn't entitle you to anything else.
E) If you are really a loyal son for ever true as your post says, you would shut your ******* trap on an anonymous message board, and ask JP and Holberg what more you can do to make their jobs easier so they can met your expectations. ******** about how much you spent isn't going to get anything done, and it certainly doesn't help fix any problems in the AD.

But i do owe you a thank you, you reminded me why I stay away from this message board for at minimum of two days. Not because I am upset about a bad loss, but because of posts like this that prove just how ignorant a certain segment of our fan base really is.

Lol, step away from the keyboard. I said I was disapointed that my expectations were not met. Never blamed players coaches etc.

I then said that if people such as Hines or people who do not invest money into the program did, they might have a better understanding of why people get upset when expectations are not met. I also said I do not agree with people attacking players on Twitter at all.

No I do not think I'm better then someone who doesn't give money to ISU athletics. Show me where I said that? Is reading tough for you? I simply said I feel I'm more invested than someone who doesn't. Which I literally am.

BTW life long clone here bud, even have a cyclone tattoo, go back to my previous post I said I completely understand it's entertainment, I.E. My example of a movie, can I be disappointed if a movie I pay for is not good? Or am I supposed to poop out rainbows because the director put his blood sweat and tears into it?

Your missing the point my simple minded friend.

Way to hide behind the screen and tell me to **** off though real classy Boone. (there is a layup of a joke but I'll stay away.)

 

[mattyice]

Again.....not criticizing doesn't make you more of a fan or more loyal than someone who is critical of poor play. Get off your high horse. "Real fans"...give me a break.

No amount of money you spend on tickets, road trips, Kansas City gives you an ounce more right to be mad at unmet expectations, than a guy who sits in his recliner to watch. And sure as hell doesn't give anyone the right to go at a kid on twitter or Facebook.

Not at Hines....but journalist..who im sorry...usually don't know their head from their arse about playing sports criticize players, coaches, programs all the time, that's ok....but fans doing it...somehow isn't ok?

I understand the frustration....our window at Iowa state is always very small historically, and this stings because we are in that window, and blew it. We gotta a lot of Clonefan on Clonefan crime going on right now.......in the immortal words of Jackie Moon..."Everybody love everybody!"

we we will be back.....

 

[Luth4Cy]

We are a very easily butthurt fanbase, but a lot of the criticism of this team was warranted. In fact I think a lot of the things fans were upset about where weaknesses players were aware of.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Lol, step away from the keyboard. I said I was disapointed that my expectations were not met. Never blamed players coaches etc.

I then said that if people such as Hines or people who do not invest money into the program did, they might have a better understanding of why people get upset when expectations are not met.

Your missing the point my simple minded friend.

Is reading tough for you? You are still missing the point.

Hines is likey several orders smarter than both of us, my simple minded friend, but that is not required to understand why people get upset when expectations are not met. The article was not about that. The article was relaying what the program, not Hines, feels about how people like yourself handle their outlandish expectations not being met.

Hines recommended easing up on such uncompromising expectations- not expecting next year's team to have two year's worth of success. In reality, as he alluded, many are guilty of expecting this program to have a level of success that makes up for 100 years. That is how you end up with so much hatefulness, not disappointment.

 

[CycloneClone]

Would give anything for a Vroman or Homan.

 

[Tre4ISU]

What's really scary is that I don't know where some of you guys sit at football games so there's a chance I may have to sit by you.

 

[Bigman38]

strange, I read that article a little differently than most apparently. I saw it pointing out that this team struggled with success and that might be the biggest key to next season. Obviously that burden will be quite a bit heaver next year with the way this year ended and the hype they are going to get leading up to the next season.

 

[CydeOut]

All fans feel passionately about their team regardless of the money they gave or didn't give; usually the resource we give the most is time, and we are all high donors of that. Fans have every right to be mad at their team, just as much as they have a right to be happy for their team when things are going well. CF, to me, is an acceptable place to come and vent (within reason) or praise the team because this is a place for fans. Coming here (CF) is being able to talk about your favorite team with people who actually understand your passion. I don't talk to people in Kansas about the Cyclones because they don't care, but on CF, everyone gets what you are talking about and wants to talk about it also. That's the beauty. If you can't come here and express your frustrations with people who might actually understand why you're frustrated, then I think attendance of CF would start to drop-off.




This should not be a place for the players to come and get their evaluations of how good they are. They need to understand that negative things will be said here, because this is where Cyclone fans come to be together. Negative comments are usually made in the heat of the moment, and they are not to be taken personally, but it happens here. They know that if they come here, then they are basically seeking out criticism.


That being said, voicing negative opinions about players directly on twitter or any other public social-media platform, is a mistake and poor taste. Specifically tweeting to them is completely uncalled for.


Main Point: Fans - come to CF to vent and be angry, stay off the other avenues. It's acceptable here, within reason. Players, avoid here unless you are prepared to read what is written and not take it to heart. It's not personal, they are heat of the moment comments, and best judgements aren't made while mad.




sorry for the lecture...it's the educator in me.

 

[3rdGenStater]

Would give anything for a Vroman or Homan.

Homan is still one of my favorite Cyclones of all time. He wasn't flashy or overly-athletic, but he brought a certain toughness/attitude every time he stepped on the court. We could use a few a more Homans...