So-Called Group of Death

digZ

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I've seen a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth recently about certain teams getting screwed by getting put into the "group of death" midwest region. Earlier on ESPN they had some analysts on OTL talking about this

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10634080

The teams specifically talked about in the Midwest region
1. Wichita State
2. Michigan
3. Duke
4. Louisville
8. Kentucky

Specifically some big 10 beat writer was arguing that the midwest region was so much better than the east region for example. His argument(around the 10 minute mark) was that Virginia had a soft bracket outside of MSU (LOL of course). So I thought I'd do a seed by seed comparison to see if this is the case.


1. Wichita State vs. UVA - This is a difficult one. I'd say the edge goes to UVA, they won a decent ACC regular season and Tourney title. Their OOC wasn't good, but they kicked it up a notch in conference play

2.Michigan vs. Nova - I can agree that Michigan is stronger, but I don't think it's as pronounced as some of the analysts are making it. Nova is still a strong squad, but Michigan won the regular season title of a stronger conference(albeit with MSU not fully healthy)

3. ISU vs Duke - Another difficult one. Duke has a serious NBA talent in Parker, while ISU has crazy scoring depth with its 3 headed monster. Both finished 3rd in their respective conferences, and ISU won the tourney title. Both have similar RPI numbers and ISU played in a perceived tougher conference so I'll give the homer edge to ISU here, though it's probably not huge.

4. Louisville vs MSU - Arguably the two best 4 seeds in the tourney, MSU getting healthy/hot at the right time, and Louisville rolled over a not very deep AAC conference. Another scratch.

I think in seeds 5-7 the East is actually MUCH stronger than the Midwest with UNC, Cincy, and UConn. In the 8/9 game I agree, the midwest is much stronger, IF Kentucky can play well(which is a big if given how the rest of their season has gone). I mean come on, they play half a good game against Florida and still lose and now all of a sudden they are a contender again? I know they are talented but I'm selling big time on Kentucky's tournament future.

Overall I think there is too much complaining about how horrible the committee did. I see minefields for any potential contender all over the bracket, not just in the midwest.

If you remove the name off the fronts of the jerseys, the Midwest doesn't look so potent anymore.
 
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cmjh10

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Wichita St
Michigan
Duke
Louisville
Kentucky
Iowa

All those teams were being hyped up at the beginning of the season.

MSU
UNC?

Those teams were being hyped up at the beginning of the season.

The Midwest will probably be the craziest bracket in the whole tournament. Kentucky arguably has the most talent of any team, and if Iowa and Kentucky play like they are capable of, they could pull of some upsets.

The Midwest is far and away the hardest bracket.
 

CyFan61

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It's all names. That's the only thing that matters. The Midwest region is WAY overhyped.
 

digZ

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I thought this was a thread about the Hoks because I read it as "Group of Depth"

It's funny because Seth Greenberg was talking about the "1st round" *COUGH* PLAY-IN *COUGH* matchups and he was talking about how he liked Iowa to win because of their depth. "They roll 11 guys on the floor!"

I just facepalmed.
 

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Hard to tell which is the hardest but it's pretty easy to see the West is the easiest for the 2nd straight year.
 

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People saw Kentucky at 8 followed by Louisville at 4 and after that lost the ability to look at that bracket reasonably. The bracket other than the 4 and 8 seeds is average to subpar.
 

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I've seen a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth recently about certain teams getting screwed by getting put into the "group of death" midwest region. Earlier on ESPN they had some analysts on OTL talking about this

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10634080

The teams specifically talked about in the Midwest region
1. Wichita State
2. Michigan
3. Duke
4. Louisville
8. Kentucky

Specifically some big 10 beat writer was arguing that the midwest region was so much better than the east region for example. His argument(around the 10 minute mark) was that Virginia had a soft bracket outside of MSU (LOL of course). So I thought I'd do a seed by seed comparison to see if this is the case.


1. Wichita State vs. UVA - This is a difficult one. I'd say the edge goes to UVA, they won a decent ACC regular season and Tourney title. Their OOC wasn't good, but they kicked it up a notch in conference play

2.Michigan vs. Nova - I can agree that Michigan is stronger, but I don't think it's as pronounced as some of the analysts are making it. Nova is still a strong squad, but Michigan won the regular season title of a stronger conference(albeit with MSU not fully healthy)

3. ISU vs Duke - Another difficult one. Duke has a serious NBA talent in Parker, while ISU has crazy scoring depth with its 3 headed monster. Both finished 3rd in their respective conferences, and ISU won the tourney title. Both have similar RPI numbers and ISU played in a perceived tougher conference so I'll give the homer edge to ISU here, though it's probably not huge.

4. Louisville vs MSU - Arguably the two best 4 seeds in the tourney, MSU getting healthy/hot at the right time, and Louisville rolled over a not very deep AAC conference. Another scratch.

I think in seeds 5-7 the East is actually MUCH stronger than the Midwest with UNC, Cincy, and UConn. In the 8/9 game I agree, the midwest is much stronger, IF Kentucky can play well(which is a big if given how the rest of their season has gone). I mean come on, they play half a good game against Florida and still lose and now all of a sudden they are a contender again? I know they are talented but I'm selling big time on Kentucky's tournament future.

Overall I think there is too much complaining about how horrible the committee did. I see minefields for any potential contender all over the bracket, not just in the midwest.

If you remove the name off the fronts of the jerseys, the Midwest doesn't look so potent anymore.

Got to admit, you're looking like a genius here - after the first real round.
 

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