Some scouting on Virginia from a Hoo

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Jefferson also founded UVA so that's an even more obvious connection if you're going that route.

There you go. I can't imagine any other possible explanation for a nickname like "Hoo"
 

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*grin* That's the first I've heard that one, and I thought I'd heard them all. I really do think my version is the correct one, but who knows? My favorite one that isn't true is that we're called "wahoos" because a wahoo is a fish that can drink twice it's own weight.

So which part of that last sentence isn't true?
 

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Can a mod please confirm or deny that Hoondog is, in fact, Tony Bennett looking for insider information from our fanbase? I feel like we're being played. I mean, you can look at tape all day long, but to get to the real nitty gritty, CF is where it's at.
 

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Footnote: Virginia has some fantastic wins but some crappy losses just like ISU. I think the folks at Virginia judge us more by what they see on Kenpom than what ISU is currently about.....which is fine. We had a lot of obstacles, injuries, coach change, suspensions, ect. I think the key here is who is "peaking". ISU is just now beginning to peak. A third of those crappy Kenprom stats can be thrown out the window. Everyone thinks we are the "underdog" and I kind of like going into this match up like that. We've already knocked down two very good teams "decisively".
 

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The way I read OP on the whole "slow it down thing", is that they don't slow it down, they are just deliberate on offense. There's a subtle difference, and it makes sense at least in watching them vs. Butler.

ISU tends to have trouble with athletic bigs, because the entire team is essentially made up of guards and small forwards. Deonte Burton, who is technically a guard, is the closest thing to a Power Forward ISU has. Niang, for all the good losing 40 pounds has done him, can't bang in the post quite like he used to. McKay is a stick figure out there, so he can be pushed around very easily, and although he has very long arms, is still only 6' 9'' or something. For those reasons, ISU's post defense varies somewhere between mediocre and terrible. The other issue they then have is rebounding -- ISU's rebounding is just awful, which makes me glad UVA doesn't crash the glass.

Although ISU got a reputation for getting out and running, the fact that rebounding has been such an issue this year has really hampered that part of the game, not to mention with such a short bench (ISU goes 6 deep, 7 if they're desperate), Coach Prohm has tried to get the team to hang back a little bit.

As such, ISU has been forced to play more half-court offense than they did last year, although they still aren't a team that runs lots of sets; it's a pick and roll, motion offense. ISU is still very dangerous on the run, but that hasn't been the sole focus of the team this year, as opposed to last year like when ISU absolutely ran KU out of the gym in Ames.

That all being said, ISU is still a very, very efficient team offensively, and it has nothing to do with being able to play a high-percentage post game -- it's cause they can really shoot. Obviously everybody can go cold at times, but this team has the ability to make lots and lots of shots. Halfway through the first half against Arkansas Little Rock, I think ISU was shooting something stupid like 85% from the field.

I think UVA wins this game if they make life difficult for Niang on defense and force the ball through the post as often as possible on offense. If UVA starts settling for jumpshots, that's huge for ISU.

For ISU.. can they keep shooting the way they have been? A healthy serving of 3's will give them a chance at an Elite Eight appearance.
 

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London Perrantes: He’s our starting point guard. Once again, he’s not flashy, but he has a really good floor sense, a very good assist-to-turnover ratio, and is a great floor general. He’s shooting around 50% from three, this year, but doesn’t take that many shots, and only rarely hunts his shot. He can drive the bucket, but at only 6’2â€, he’s at a disadvantage when doing that, most times. He’s a good defender but not elite, and he often gives up height in the ACC to other guards. He’s not as quick as some elite point guards, but the pack-line gives plenty of help to reduce penetration by opposing guards. He’s had a disturbing tendency this year (and not in past years) to throw lazy passes that turn into pick sixes. Honorable mention all-ACC.

Oh, I thought this line was chuckle worthy as well.

Perrantes: 143 assists - 61 turnovers : 2.3 a/to
Morris: 233 assists - 56 turnovers: 4.2 a/to

Not saying Perrantes' is bad, but it's not great. Monte has played 201 more minutes on the season than Perrantes - and turned the ball over 5 fewer times.
 

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The way I read OP on the whole "slow it down thing", is that they don't slow it down, they are just deliberate on offense. There's a subtle difference, and it makes sense at least in watching them vs. Butler.

And that's what I disagree with. You don't get to be the 3rd slowest team in the NCAA by being 'deliberate'. To be that consistently slow, you HAVE to be intentionally trying to slow it down.
 

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If you haven't noticed ISU is not the same team it was a month ago and that includes "rebounding". We've been locked in and I don't expect that to change.
 

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We DO sometimes rest a bit on offense, because we play defense so intensively, and that can slow things down a bit, but most teams that intentionally slow things down do so because of a talent deficit, and we don't have one of those except against the most elite recruiting teams in the US, like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas.

Our new coach has spent most of this year beating just the opposite out of our guys! Until this year we could rest on defense as we'd just out-score you but Coach Prohm has a defensive approach that the kids are still working on. Most Cyclones would say we've yet to see a complete defensive game yet this year.

Looking forward to the game! We don't get blown out, nor do we blow people out. We'll let teams get a run or 2 on us, but we seem to nut-up and reel it back in.

Great to play against NON B12 teams for the change in scenery.
 

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Good post except for the 'Virginia doesn't slow it down' take. That's completely wrong. Taking a good shot has nothing to do with how many seconds you run off the shot clock. You can run highly efficient offense and shoot rather quickly, ie ISU, Kansas etc. also playing good defense has nothing to do with why Virginia is so slow.
 

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Are we sure this isn't just **** Bennett trying to dig up some information for his son to use? Seems like to good of post to me. Fishy.
 

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*grin* That's the first I've heard that one, and I thought I'd heard them all. I really do think my version is the correct one, but who knows? My favorite one that isn't true is that we're called "wahoos" because a wahoo is a fish that can drink twice it's own weight.

Well then we're the real Wahoos. You guys are just posers.
 

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Good post except for the 'Virginia doesn't slow it down' take. That's completely wrong. Taking a good shot has nothing to do with how many seconds you run off the shot clock. You can run highly efficient offense and shoot rather quickly, ie ISU, Kansas etc. also playing good defense has nothing to do with why Virginia is so slow.

I think what he meant is that their goal isn't to slow the game down as a strategic advantage. It's a byproduct of what they really want to do which is to not give you anything easy or take bad shots.
 

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And that's what I disagree with. You don't get to be the 3rd slowest team in the NCAA by being 'deliberate'. To be that consistently slow, you HAVE to be intentionally trying to slow it down.

Ok, but you're wrong. They don't take bad shots and they don't allow easy quick ones. If you go into playing Virginia and your goal is to speed the game up because you think it will make them uncomfortable, you're going to lose because they won't fall into that. They will do what they do and if you want to waste possessions moving fast to take a quick, tough shot, they're fine with that. They aren't going to do it for you, though.
 

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Hoo's to people in Iowa are kinda like those folks in Virginia who think we grow potatoes.
 

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I think this will be a good game. Virginia is too good to let us run away with it, and they are too slow to get ahead by anything that is out of our reach. Most likely scenario is that this a 1-2 possession game.