Our local take on Virginia.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../?hootPostID=24dffe0de93047ab5f9b40336509374f
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../?hootPostID=24dffe0de93047ab5f9b40336509374f
Some scouting on Virginia from a Hoo
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So UVA plays offense likes its trying to carefully stack a house of cards together so as to optimize offensive efficiency and build something formidible as the game moves on. ISU plays offense like we are trying to burn your house to the ground as quickly and ruthlessly as possible and make no mistake we are absolutely equipped to do it against ANYONE.
Now defensively??? Well... the contrast is likely clear to all already lol. But that's basketball. ISU is who they are, but remember one might be able to argue the same regarding UVA compared to us on offense (although they are a one seed from a great conference, so im sure they almost always can score more than enough with respect to how they play so its probably rarely an issue).
It sounds like these contrasting styles for two talented teams who know how to win is gonna be must-see tv.
Now defensively??? Well... the contrast is likely clear to all already lol. But that's basketball. ISU is who they are, but remember one might be able to argue the same regarding UVA compared to us on offense (although they are a one seed from a great conference, so im sure they almost always can score more than enough with respect to how they play so its probably rarely an issue).
It sounds like these contrasting styles for two talented teams who know how to win is gonna be must-see tv.
Average PPG in NCAA by Virginia from the Hooville forum:
Gill 19
Brogs 16.5
Shayok 11
Perrantes 10
Tobey 9
Wilkins 4
Thompson 3
Nolte 3
Hall 2
Salt 1.5
Not much to worry about if we could hold them to these stats.
Gill 19
Brogs 16.5
Shayok 11
Perrantes 10
Tobey 9
Wilkins 4
Thompson 3
Nolte 3
Hall 2
Salt 1.5
Not much to worry about if we could hold them to these stats.
Here is the reseeding with UVA in at #3. Stats given against a #15 Hampton, the worst team in NCAA, and #9 Butler not so impressive. Kansas seeded at #2. We should feel good about this despite being seeded @ #9. Hooville considers their three players outside Gill and Brogs averaging 30 points a miracle with Tobey @ 9 PPG but considering who they have played nothing to write home to mamma about. VA coaches and analysts on radio consider ISU somewhere between a UNC, Villanova, and Duke whatever that's worth. Looks like this game is a shut down Gill and Brogs and beating their defense the key.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...awks-reseeding-ncaa-tournament-sweet-16-field
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...awks-reseeding-ncaa-tournament-sweet-16-field
Here is the CBS reseed take with ISU @ #7. Lets hope those "Hoovites" come rolling into our home court Chi Town thinking they are going to walk into another Hampton roll over and send em home pack'n faster than UNI.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-seeding-the-sweet-16-teams-in-the-tournament
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-seeding-the-sweet-16-teams-in-the-tournament
CycloneErik
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Burn them the way Bacon himself did it.
Virginia must be destroyed. It's not a hate thing. It's an in-the-way thing.
I'm really interested to see how we respond to their pack line defense...it's basically a sagging man to man D which prevents penetration into the lane..there is always a guy right on the guy with the ball and everyone else sags into lane area or just outside lane area..We have got to move the basketball all game and move it fast and well and force VA to move around. If we continue to shoot from 3 like we have been I like our chances in this game...You know that play with Niang where he drives past his man up top and gets to the lane and oops it to McKay? Well we won't be seeing much of that vs pack line defense. The one thing that does concern me is half of Niang game is scoring positing up. Pack line defense was built to stop this. This is a game where we are going to have to drive past the man guarding u and kick it out to a spot up shooter. Will def. be interesting. I'm curious if we come out in a zone to start the game with pressure out top in the zone. VA can hit threes but it's not their speciality. A zone to start might also avoid some foul trouble early which IMO is a huge key in this game. If Niang and McKay can enter halftime with no moe than 1 foul each that would bode very well for us..like the first two games.
Haven't watched Virginia much. Do most of their losses come from them getting down early? Seems like they may not be built for big comebacks. Kind of like a run heavy defensive football team.
Their losses look like a combination of getting down at halftime and never recovering, and having a lead in the 2nd half that they cant sustain. So in other words, nothing really out of the ordinary.
Thanks for letting me join in. I lurked for a couple days and intended to come answer some of the questions I read and maybe give a different slant some of the assumptions. The other Hoo posters beat me to the punch and I agree with most that they have shared. So, I won't rehash.
One thing I will touch on is our board at The Sabre. Unlike most over there, I don't care a great deal about the format, never have. But I will say that it does serve the purpose that I believe the hosts want. It is much faster than all the other boards, like this one that I have visited. This includes Scout and others in this similar format. It is also faster for me because I skim a page and look for both a topic of interest and a poster whose opinion I consider worthwhile, without having to work down through the entire thread.
As for the game it grows more and more intriguing to me daily. I also can't say I know a lot about Iowa St. but if you haven't heard of Niang then you really need to get out of under that rock you've been living under. The more I read here about him, the more he sounds like Brogdan. Their style/strengths are different but they both apparently play the game from the shoulders up. While strong, Brogdan is not quick enough to just blow by you on a regular basis. He instead allows you to make a mistake and takes immediate advantage of it. How is Niang's D? The part that truly amazes me is Brogdan willingly takes on the best defensive player on the other team and then continues to average well on the offensive end. A lot of your "big name" guys rest on defense so they can produce offensively. Resting on defense will get you pine time with Tony Bennett.
Again, thanks for allowing me join and if there are any more questions unanswered, and I can, I will be glad to respond.
One thing I will touch on is our board at The Sabre. Unlike most over there, I don't care a great deal about the format, never have. But I will say that it does serve the purpose that I believe the hosts want. It is much faster than all the other boards, like this one that I have visited. This includes Scout and others in this similar format. It is also faster for me because I skim a page and look for both a topic of interest and a poster whose opinion I consider worthwhile, without having to work down through the entire thread.
As for the game it grows more and more intriguing to me daily. I also can't say I know a lot about Iowa St. but if you haven't heard of Niang then you really need to get out of under that rock you've been living under. The more I read here about him, the more he sounds like Brogdan. Their style/strengths are different but they both apparently play the game from the shoulders up. While strong, Brogdan is not quick enough to just blow by you on a regular basis. He instead allows you to make a mistake and takes immediate advantage of it. How is Niang's D? The part that truly amazes me is Brogdan willingly takes on the best defensive player on the other team and then continues to average well on the offensive end. A lot of your "big name" guys rest on defense so they can produce offensively. Resting on defense will get you pine time with Tony Bennett.
Again, thanks for allowing me join and if there are any more questions unanswered, and I can, I will be glad to respond.
Georges' D is not great, but not as bad as some on here would have you believe. He's solid in the post, but not great on quicker guys outside. His main emphasis is on not picking up fouls, so he will give some matador defense at times just to keep himself on the floor. I think being in the tournament has helped him be more aggressive, as Big 12 officials would give him two fouls a game (minimum) where he was practically running away with his arms up.
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Welcome. Guess it's easy to spot someone from Virginia since everyone has "hoo" in their name lol. Niang has been said to play more like a small Larry Byrd so hard to compare the two. Haven't seen much Brog play but Niang can strike from anywhere and is very deceptive around the rim with his mini hooks.
I cannot stress this enough. There were times he would have a guy driving straight at him and he would backpedal with arms straight up and he'd get a foul called on him. There was another time he was going back and sideways to get out the way with arms straight up and the guy jumped sideways away from the basket into him and they called Niang for a foul. When he isn't forced to literally run away from offensive players to avoid fouls, he is a decent defender.
I disagree with your "resting on defense" bit. It's just that we have no post depth and very little depth overall. If Niang ends up on the bench with foul trouble we are screwed. So he and Jameel tend to let guys go by them occasionally to avoid foul trouble. Niang isn't a great defender like Brogdan but he can be respectable and do enough on that end to get by.
Friday can't get here soon enough. Should be a great game.
Niang's defense is nothing to write home about, but when he needs to really he can in short stretches.
I kinda laughed at this. Would Niang sit on Bennett's bench?
How many Iowa St players would start for Virginia? Niang? Morris? McKay? Thomas?
The other way, Brogdon would start for Iowa St and maybe Gill, when McKay was playing like ****.
As a side note, if Tom Eades is officiating the game Niang will be forced to run away from every opponent with the ball in order to not have a foul called on him. I don't know which family member of his Niang killed to get on his bad side, but it must have been direct kin. A person just doesn't carry a grudge like that over some distant cousin, neice, or uncle.
