SOURCE: Jameel McKay's knee is structurally sound

[chuckd4735]

It is excruciating for ISU to have to play on the road for a non conf right in the heart of Big12 season. I hope this falls on its face and its moved back to December next year.

It wont fail at all. It sucks to have to go on the road, but as long as the home and road flips every year, it wont be bad. The only thing that sucks is that everyone loses their bye-game with this being worked in. You could start conference season a tad sooner to make up for it, but then you run the risk of having up to 3 conference games with no students. It would be nice to have the NCAA move the final four back two weeks, and allow conference season to start the week students are back and go for 10 weeks. Have the championship game in late April, and then have opening day in baseball the following Monday.

 

[SpokaneCY]

If we lose this game it is 100% OK but this is a HUGE opportunity. Win this game and you most likely went on the road and beat the SEC champ. This type of game is the difference between a 2 and 3 seed. If you have someone not 100% you rest them but you have to play to win.

Doubt ANY of the players are 100% at this point in the season. If it's not structural and there is no risk of further damage play the game. Practice reps and game speed need to be kept up for continuity.

Rub some dirt on it.

 

[jsb]

It would be stupid to purposely lose this game. It's not like that would guarantee a big 12 title or even an ncaa berth. Win every game you can and hope for the best at the end of the year.

 

[SpokaneCY]

What he said...what did he say?

The nasty "c" thing he mentioned is an STD if I remember the old posters from my USAF days correctly.

 

[CycloneErik]

College kids happen to get tired too. And sometimes rest can be good for them too. I can understand other arguments in favor of doing everything we can to win this game, but to suggest that college kids can't benefit from rest?

Prohm said they were taking Tuesday off. No reason to take a gameday off without injury at this point.

 

[Cyclone1985]

So you want us to lay down for a game that would help tremendously for RPI, tourney seeding, rankings, confidence level ETC ETC. Carry on you're right nothing to gain.

The players/coaches are not worried about NCAA Seedings right now -- that is for the fans and analysts to discuss. This team is focused on winning a B12 Conference Title, followed by a B12 Tourney Title.

Playing a "showcase game" in the middle of a B12 title hunt is not ideal.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I think I'm going to post this in any further Jameel McKay threads.
#1 - He paid his own way for a semester, that's how bad he wanted to be here.
#2 - He loves his team and teammates. Despite knee pain, going to locker room, and sitting out the rest of the KU game, Jameel was the first one out of his seat and jumping up and down when Matt Thomas dunked.
#3 - He gets up and down because he's passionate.
#4 - All this talk about his head is the fan's doing. Quit making him the scapegoat du jour. First, free throws. Then, size. Then, effort. Now, mindset.
#5 - His recent instagram pic isn't an indication that he hates ISU men's basketball or even college/ISU. It's an indication that he has had enough of fan bullying.
#6 - Recall the Capital City YMCA league. Even when not playing, he was always present and always obliging to visit with and take pics with fans. He LOVED the fans and was VERY giving and accommodating. Fan attitude changed that.

Take a stand, be the supportive fan. Would you boo a player's performance when they are playing? Of course not.
Then, why the heck are you frequently singling one guy out behind the veil of your

McKay was a huge presence in the post-season awards last year: Defensive POY, only unanimous Newcomer of Year, 3rd Team All-Big 12. He's a baller, not "was" a baller, he IS a baller.

THIS in spades... We fans put OUR insecurities on these players. We take several snippets of what they say and put our own interpretation on what the players thinks/feels/wants and know all his ills. And oddly enough, almost EVERYONE goes dark on what it means. That is our own insecurities bubbling forth.

Let the kid be and quit smothering these guys.

 

[SpokaneCY]

The players/coaches are not worried about NCAA Seedings right now -- that is for the fans and analysts to discuss. This team is focused on winning a B12 Conference Title, followed by a B12 Tourney Title.

Playing a "showcase game" in the middle of a B12 title hunt is not ideal.

Playing yet another nationally ranked opponent out of conference on national TV is great exposure. And a win is a win and they all get counted. My guess is these guys want to play MORE basketball, not less.

 

[clone52]

Doubt ANY of the players are 100% at this point in the season. If it's not structural and there is no risk of further damage play the game. Practice reps and game speed need to be kept up for continuity.

Rub some dirt on it.

It depends. If the doctors say that a little extra time off is going to help him feel more comfortable the rest of the eyar, i say sit him. If they say it won't have any impact, let him play.

If he really wants to play, let him play, even if the rest would help a little. Maybe they could limit his minutes a little bit and maybe even give Simeon Carter a few minutes. I do hope Hallice gets some playing time.

 

[rholtgraves]

Resting him so he can get back to 100% is not losing intentionally. They will go down there to win and probably still could win even without him if Burton played well. I would rather him get fully healthy than have him play and the injury continue to linger.

 

[andymhallman]

I can't understand the people saying we should rest our starters for Texas A&M, the No. 5 team in the country. Getting a chance to prove yourself against the best teams in the country is what basketball is all about!

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Playing for the postseason means playing McKay against A$M IMO. I am all for conceding the Big 12 and resting guys if it helps in March, but a (another) top-10 win on the road against an OOC team would be huge for March.

 

[Cycsk]

I can't understand the people saying we should rest our starters for Texas A&M, the No. 5 team in the country. Getting a chance to prove yourself against the best teams in the country is what basketball is all about!

Isn't this pretty much what we do every week already?

 

[clone52]

Playing for the postseason means playing McKay against A$M IMO. I am all for conceding the Big 12 and resting guys if it helps in March, but a (another) top-10 win on the road against an OOC team would be huge for March.

If taking a game off, or playing limited minutes allows the pain in McKay's knee to ease, having a healthier McKay would be much more huge for March than a win against A&M.

We don't know if it would help McKay. Thats why the coaches get paid the big bucks and the rest of us are posting on a message board in the middle of the day.

 

[rholtgraves]

I can't understand the people saying we should rest our starters for Texas A&M, the No. 5 team in the country. Getting a chance to prove yourself against the best teams in the country is what basketball is all about!

Sitting a guy with an injury so he can get healthy is a little different than 'resting starters'.
They play plenty of top ten teams already you don't need this one so bad that you risk McKay's injury continuing to effect games after a&m.

They rest of the team would still be playing to win.

 

[rholtgraves]

Playing for the postseason means playing McKay against A$M IMO. I am all for conceding the Big 12 and resting guys if it helps in March, but a (another) top-10 win on the road against an OOC team would be huge for March.

Why?

 

[psychlone99]

Chris, do we know if it's the same doctor that weighed in on the health status of Wesley Johnson?

(half jimlad)

 

[madguy30]

So you want us to lay down for a game that would help tremendously for RPI, tourney seeding, rankings, confidence level ETC ETC. Carry on you're right nothing to gain.

If beating #1 and #4 in a week don't do something for all of those things, not to mention WV next Tuesday, then ATM won't either. I'd like to see ISU win or at least be close late, but a mid-conference season, non-conference game, should almost be ignored by the NCAA tourney committee since no one else is doing it.

 

[CY88CE11]

Resting him so he can get back to 100% is not losing intentionally. They will go down there to win and probably still could win even without him if Burton played well. I would rather him get fully healthy than have him play and the injury continue to linger.

No, but resting our whole team is, which is what the argument is about. Someone seriously suggested this, and received a well deserved blasting for it. Because nothing would do more for our recruiting and national prestige than forfeiting a game at #5 aTm.

 

[CyDude16]

I'll get blasted for this, but I think we should sit most of the team for A&M. Can't risk injury in a game that doesn't hurt to lose and doesn't gain much to win.

And play who? We dress 9-10 players.