This thread is crazy. We are grossly undermanned and what studs we do have are freshman. I think Prohm has done an exceptional job with this team given the lack of experience, the lack of depth, the injuries, and the personal issues. If we have everyone on this team next year that we expect to have and we struggle, then I will start to question if we have the right guy.
Start of the Second Half Stat
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I have been saying the top for a while now. As for the bottom, do you really think managers and old *** assistant coaches can give you even a remotely close look at what P5 athletes give you? I will take Prohm's track record over anything that has happened this year. If we are in last place next year then we can all worry.
I think this comes down to coaching philosophy. My observation has been, somewhat similar to yours, that in order to win the Big 12 regular season war and make a serious run in the NCAA tourney, you need at least some interior production on offense (including some scoring, not just passing) and interior defense (which includes rebounding).
ISU has been weak in these areas for several years now. Under Hoiberg, IMO, he just had a philosophy that you didn't really need the interior stuff. Prohm has been working through a roster built for Hoiberg's philosophy. Again, just my opinion, but if Prohm wants to take ISU to the "next level" (i.e. taking the regular season conference title from KU and making a deep tourney run), he will work on the interior stuff. I think he has two players who can make the interior more productive for ISU. For me, the question is whether there is the necessary expertise on the coaching staff to help ISU become a better interior-producing team.
Yes I do, for the same exact reasons others have mentioned. Managers and coaches aren't D1 basketball players.
I think the lack of adjustments issues are simple. It's easy to sit here and say "we need to make more halftime adjustments." Ok great, what are those adjustments? Let's be honest, we aren't exactly a multi-faceted team. This isn't like a few years ago where if Georges was having a rough game we try to set Monte some screens and get him going to the basket. We don't have the luxury of running a few set plays for Matt Thomas and Naz anymore. This team has a few guys that are pretty darn good at a one or two things at this point. But it's not like we have a multitude of ways to win.
So I think by-and-large we give teams a good fight in the first half. They see what we are doing and make adjustments. We don't make too many counter adjustments because we are having to play several guys that are just limited offensively.
So I think by-and-large we give teams a good fight in the first half. They see what we are doing and make adjustments. We don't make too many counter adjustments because we are having to play several guys that are just limited offensively.
We were lacking in leaders this last part of the season, emotionally and communications-wise. The key to defense, and to playing out of the half is communication and inspiration from your on-court leaders (coach has a lot of responsibility here, too). What these guys will learn as the years go on is the importance of talking to one another on defense, building each other up through encouragement and intensity, and keeping a steady temperament.
I'd love to see Monte, Naz, and Georges come in and talk a bit about that, as I think that was one of the real keys of their games - they talk to one another on the court. If you aren't talking to each other, everyone becomes an island.
I'd like to think Babb, Marial, and Jacobsen will help with that next year.
I'd love to see Monte, Naz, and Georges come in and talk a bit about that, as I think that was one of the real keys of their games - they talk to one another on the court. If you aren't talking to each other, everyone becomes an island.
I'd like to think Babb, Marial, and Jacobsen will help with that next year.
Well statistically, they were out scored throughout the conference season. So taking out the first four minutes of the second half, and showing a minus is not surprising.
Having this issue with a last place team is very silly. It would be different if they were 9-9 on the season, and losing games because of this stat. They're not. They're losing because of lack of healthy players, lack of experience, and lack of quality bench players.
I'm certain there was also a portion of the game we could isolate, and show a plus number. Perhaps the end of the first half, or the end of the game. No idea what those numbers were, but if I had to choose, I'd much rather have the + at the end of half, and end of game.
Having this issue with a last place team is very silly. It would be different if they were 9-9 on the season, and losing games because of this stat. They're not. They're losing because of lack of healthy players, lack of experience, and lack of quality bench players.
I'm certain there was also a portion of the game we could isolate, and show a plus number. Perhaps the end of the first half, or the end of the game. No idea what those numbers were, but if I had to choose, I'd much rather have the + at the end of half, and end of game.
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I'd say beating WVU, Tech, and OU at home and being fairly competitive with only 6-7 players available is vast improvement over losing to UW-Milwaukee by almost 20 in Hilton at the start of the season.
We closed the first half with three 3 pointers. We missed our shots to start the second half. JB air balls a 10 foot shot.
It’s it scheme and coaching or lack of personnel? In the game mentioned, how many of them had Babb starting the second half? I believe the answer is zero.
It’s it scheme and coaching or lack of personnel? In the game mentioned, how many of them had Babb starting the second half? I believe the answer is zero.
Interior scoring was definitely good under Hoiberg. The offense was in part designed to get great looks in the lane and it helped having Niang who was adept at scoring on the block. Ejim got his fair share of points in the lane as well. Interior defense wasn't always great but offense there was no problem. And he also had a few years where they were a good defensive rebounding team. Under Prohm they have actually been worse on average in both 2pt FG% and rebounding percentage. But of course this year really drags the average down. They have also been significantly worse at getting to the free throw line.
You guys remember when Hoiberg's teams would spot teams a 5-20 lead every game? Never sure why, maybe for the challenge alone?
Those were good times.
Those were good times.
Basketball IQ -- lack of or something -- was discussed at our house last night after this game as well. I definitely don't have a great understanding of some of what's talked about here (which is why I read way more comments than I write) but at times it looks like Cameron Lard either didn't know where he should be or did and decided he couldn't get there so he just stood and shrugged his shoulders. I'm not singling him out necessarily. It's just that I remember that happening at least twice last night.
We're just too easy to defend. If Jackson isn't hitting from 3, just pack the lane and we can't score. When you watch, we get hand-offs and short passes picked all the time because you can see where the ball is going to rotate to a mile away.
Inbound plays are non-existent. Really bothers me when (was it last night) other teams are doing ally-oops on the inbound pass and we can't even get the ball in bounds. There was the one play where Tally wisely just tossed it in to avoid the 5 second count but it took all of Jackson's athletic ability to chase down that ball and keep it in play, just to have a possession. In bounds should be one of the easier things to do.
Anyway, nothing new but these things along with what others mentioned in this thread are huge issues.
Inbound plays are non-existent. Really bothers me when (was it last night) other teams are doing ally-oops on the inbound pass and we can't even get the ball in bounds. There was the one play where Tally wisely just tossed it in to avoid the 5 second count but it took all of Jackson's athletic ability to chase down that ball and keep it in play, just to have a possession. In bounds should be one of the easier things to do.
Anyway, nothing new but these things along with what others mentioned in this thread are huge issues.
I disagree that the interior offense wasn't a problem under Hoiberg. The interior scoring was good as long as the outside shots were falling and ISU could spread the floor and get 1-1 matchups inside with some space. When the outside shots weren't falling, and the defense could drop back in, the interior scoring dried up as well because ISU's players weren't able to operate/score in traffic. And that is precisely when you need someone who can muscle in and get a basket or get to the line (can be a big or a guard). Throw in mediocre rebounding, and you get the UAB tourney game, which was a perfect microcosm of the issues with the Hoiberg philosophy.
