First, not pointing any direct fingers at anyone person. Second, I have never played college football so my understanding of this level of strength and conditioning only comes from family that directly took part in FBS programs. However, it seems like our athletes are consistently overpowered, physically outmatched, and repetitively worn down by the opposition. At some point doesn't this call into question the program Yancy has put in place for this group. Not saying that he gets to start with the type of athlete, OU, Baylor, or Texas gets to mold, but we surely get the same caliber if not better than say NDSU, UNI, KSU, etc and the same outcome is seen. Again, not an expert but run blocking is about power, leverage, explosion, gap assignment, etc and we seem to be lacking in all the physical attributes that make for good run blocking. Just wanted to see if someone with more insight concerning our strength program could give a better synopsis or if my observations were misguided.
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The number 1 reason S&C exists is for injury prevention. Making sure players go through reps with GOOD form (90 degrees on squats etc.) should be priority number 1, it is not.
not really sure what the answer is. OU and NDSU were the only teams so far that completely overpower the Clones. KSU did at times, but not like these other two. I think that a lot of the problem stems from three sources:
1. Attrition, the Cyclones are playing very young guys because a lot of the guys that they were depending on this year are no longer on the team for various reasons that have been well documented in other threads.
2. Recruiting, this is especially true on the OL, were I feel that CPR went the wrong direction 3 years ago when he decided that he wanted leaner, more athletic OL. A lot of the guy on the line are tall and not real thick, and tend to get overpowered because they lose leverage to shorter, stronger DL.
3. Injuries, the number of injuries to linemen at ISU in the past two years is off the charts. ISU has probably had more linemen hurt in the last two years than the rest of the Big 12 combined. This may be due to the weight program, but I think it is just bad luck.
1. Attrition, the Cyclones are playing very young guys because a lot of the guys that they were depending on this year are no longer on the team for various reasons that have been well documented in other threads.
2. Recruiting, this is especially true on the OL, were I feel that CPR went the wrong direction 3 years ago when he decided that he wanted leaner, more athletic OL. A lot of the guy on the line are tall and not real thick, and tend to get overpowered because they lose leverage to shorter, stronger DL.
3. Injuries, the number of injuries to linemen at ISU in the past two years is off the charts. ISU has probably had more linemen hurt in the last two years than the rest of the Big 12 combined. This may be due to the weight program, but I think it is just bad luck.
Yeah well it's not working. We have had a ton of injuries in the last couple of years.
You clearly know nothing when it comes to S&C... good lord Injuries happen. It's not Yancy's fault QB tore his ACL on a bad plant.
Offensive line getting overpowered I think is mostly due to changes in coaches and scheme over the last three season, as well as recruiting skinnier, quicker guys opposed to Kelechi Osemele types.
Defensively line being overpowered has some to do with recruiting guys who are undersized (e.g. Mitchell Meyers) but on Saturday a lot of it was due to having something like three of the top four defensive tackles out. Trent and Aka may be good players in the future, but right now they just aren't physically mature enough.
Defensively line being overpowered has some to do with recruiting guys who are undersized (e.g. Mitchell Meyers) but on Saturday a lot of it was due to having something like three of the top four defensive tackles out. Trent and Aka may be good players in the future, but right now they just aren't physically mature enough.
I don't know that they're not physically mature enough, I think the complete lack of depth behind them is a bigger problem. There's no real opportunity to rotate them out for a series or a possession when they take a ding so they're forced to stay in there and keep getting beat up.
Injuries do happen. But a team's skill level might have some bearing on some injuries. A QB behind a poor OL is much more likely to be injured. A WR is much more likely to get injured if the QB is poor, and makes wild unwise throws. And so on.
Of course I am not saying that bad luck, dirty tackling etc does not cause injuries.
Of course I am not saying that bad luck, dirty tackling etc does not cause injuries.
I remember watching the end of the Iowa game and the Iowa lines looked more tired than ISU's. ISU doesn't
* have a lot of depth due to lost players and injuries.
* reside in or close to Texas.
Those are a recipe for disaster against a blue blood like OU who is able to get players on the line who are both bigger and quicker than ISU players and who has depth with players coming off the bench at any time who are at least as good as if not better than the ISU starters.
* have a lot of depth due to lost players and injuries.
* reside in or close to Texas.
Those are a recipe for disaster against a blue blood like OU who is able to get players on the line who are both bigger and quicker than ISU players and who has depth with players coming off the bench at any time who are at least as good as if not better than the ISU starters.
BTW, this years team is the strongest cyclone team on record. Not saying that's good enough, but they are much stronger than they were last year.
Some of you severely underestimate what attrition and coaching turnover have done to this program. Here are the depth charts for next week, couldn't find this past week, should be close enough
OU Off. Line:
LT: R-Sr - 6-5, 336#
LG: R-Sr - 6-4, 339#
C: Jr - 6-2, 286#
RG: R-Sr - 6-5, 339#
RT: R-Sr - 6-6, 329#
ISU Def. Line:
LE: Jr (Trent Taylor) - 6-2, 244#
DT: So (Mitchell Myers) - 6-4, 262#
NG: Sr (Brandon Jensen) - 6-5, 303#
DT: Fr (Robby Garcia) - 6-4, 283#
RE: Sr (Cory Morrissey) - 6-4, 260#
ISU Off Line
LT: Fr (Jake Campos) - 6-8, 291#
LG: Jr (Jamison Lalk) - 6-6, 297#
C: Sr (Tom Farniok) - 6-4, 301#
RG: So (Daniel Burton) - 6-6, 328#
RT: Sr (Jacob Gannon) - 6-7, 306#
OU Def. Line:
LE: Jr - 6-4, 281#
DT: R-So - 6-6, 334#
DT: R-Fr - 6-0, 287#
DT: R-Sr - 6-3, 300#
RE: R-Sr - 6-3, 289#
All the redshirt years OU had over us, along with the experience on their O-line against our much smaller D-line, what does anyone expect? Their O-line AVERAGED a +50# margin!
OU Off. Line:
LT: R-Sr - 6-5, 336#
LG: R-Sr - 6-4, 339#
C: Jr - 6-2, 286#
RG: R-Sr - 6-5, 339#
RT: R-Sr - 6-6, 329#
ISU Def. Line:
LE: Jr (Trent Taylor) - 6-2, 244#
DT: So (Mitchell Myers) - 6-4, 262#
NG: Sr (Brandon Jensen) - 6-5, 303#
DT: Fr (Robby Garcia) - 6-4, 283#
RE: Sr (Cory Morrissey) - 6-4, 260#
ISU Off Line
LT: Fr (Jake Campos) - 6-8, 291#
LG: Jr (Jamison Lalk) - 6-6, 297#
C: Sr (Tom Farniok) - 6-4, 301#
RG: So (Daniel Burton) - 6-6, 328#
RT: Sr (Jacob Gannon) - 6-7, 306#
OU Def. Line:
LE: Jr - 6-4, 281#
DT: R-So - 6-6, 334#
DT: R-Fr - 6-0, 287#
DT: R-Sr - 6-3, 300#
RE: R-Sr - 6-3, 289#
All the redshirt years OU had over us, along with the experience on their O-line against our much smaller D-line, what does anyone expect? Their O-line AVERAGED a +50# margin!
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Interesting that we're going with the "smaller, quicker" route when this smaller OL isn't quicker than the defense it is playing. Might as well go after bigger guys that can at least stand their ground in the trenches.
And whose fault is that? The guy who promoted Messingham to a position (OC) in which he was in no way qualified for in the first place instead of taking the time to hire a more appropriate OC? Or someone/something else?
Random thought but feel that it fits well in this thread: Why can't we get some track kids to come out for the team!? I mean heck, WVU has THREE WR's who are on the track team (and I'm not even going to touch Baylor's squad). Not saying they are the biggest kids on the field, or the best blockers, but dang it, they have speed, and most likely height, something we could both use more of in every single game.
