Interesting interview with Richard Hatch. Apparently you can thank Dan for him not being on this season it sounds like.
Survivor: Winners at War
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I read a story about that on the Survivor wiki page. Stemmed more from his second appearance on the show when he competed in a challenge naked and made contact with Sue. She was really upset, and she ended up leaving the show...nothing happened to him. Times have changed, and the memory of that does not sit well with what happened with Dan.
Interestingly enough, I'm binging season 6 (2003) right now, where Jeff offered chocolate & peanut butter to anyone who would strip naked (Heidi & Jenna took him up on it). So it's a bit of a learning curve for Jeff & the producers as well, I suppose.
For your entertainment:
Several interesting articles I came across when looking to see why Jenna might not be on season 40 - same info, different spins & details:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertai...-likely-never-be-asked-to-compete-again.html/
https://www.eonline.com/news/112243...urvivor-winners-who-aren-t-back-for-season-40
https://www.goldderby.com/article/2...n-40-tina-wesson-jenna-morasca-tommy-sheehan/
You can thank Richard Hatch for Richard Hatch not being on this season. He's a nudist and what he did to Sue on All-Stars was wrong.
I also don't buy for a second that Hatch was the ONLY winner that every producer said they wanted, which leads me to question most of the other stuff he claims in here.
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The naked thing doesn't bother me. Hell there is another survival show Naked and Afraid that has been on for awhile now that people have no issues watching. Earlier seasons of Survivor there were people hooking up and making out at night and I'm sure it still happens now it just doesn't make the edits like Hatch referred to.
Hatch by no means is one of my favorite players but even if he only lasted a few votes I think he belonged on this season as the first ever to win the show. There are other players besides him that have challenges naked too. I guess maybe with all the sex and nudity portrayed on TV these days I dont really see his nudity that big of a deal.
Hatch by no means is one of my favorite players but even if he only lasted a few votes I think he belonged on this season as the first ever to win the show. There are other players besides him that have challenges naked too. I guess maybe with all the sex and nudity portrayed on TV these days I dont really see his nudity that big of a deal.
It wasn't the nudity in Richard's case. It was him pushing up against Sue while he was naked that was the issue. In this modern era, I believe bringing Richard back would have stirred up a shitstorm of protest and after the controversy surrounding how the Dan crap was handled, they probably didn't want to deal with the negative publicity.
As for my comment about the girls, again, it wasn't the nudity so much as it was the solicitation of the nudity.
It's been a long time since the season so had to go back and find it. Interesting how it was handled back then compared to now. Even last season with Dan where I think what he was doing was way worse and obvious from the start was how disgusted I was by the other players that turned a blind eye to it in order to benefit their own gameplay.
I'm still torn on what his intent was because it happened during a challenge where everyone was in close proximity if I recall the incident. I by no means am disregarding what Sue thought it was either, that's how she felt and she is entitled to feel that way. Just saying that over the years there has been several physical challenges people's junk and private parts have been in awkward situations and places I'm sure. Probably got too deep into that topic than I should have but if what he said is true about he went through all the prep to be on season 40 then they pulled the plug on him that's bad on the producers for even asking him to be on in the first place too I guess.
I remember Hatch more for his tax evasion issue to be honest.
There is a difference between an intentionally naked man intentionally rubbing his genitals on an woman and an accidentally naked person accidentally rubbing their genitals on a person. I know you understand that. Hatch knew what he was doing.
Honestly, my outrage in the Dan issue was a) that he was booted for touching a staff member AFTER everything with Kellee; b) that Kellee was screwed over by not dealing with Dan immediately; c) that several female cast members made false accusations and then walked them back to further their own game play (getting rid of both Dan and Kellee); d) it took them 3 weeks after Kellee (in the first episode) told Dan that his touching her made her uncomfortable for production to obliquely "deal" with the problem, and another two weeks to boot him; and e) Janet got screwed over in the deal.
As for Hatch being all ready to go, that was before the Dan incident. If the problems with Dan had not emerged, I have no doubt that Richard would have been back in this season. It was a matter of timing.
I'm not sure this is true. S40 was filmed immediately after S39 was filmed. Of course the producers knew that the Dan stuff would be an issue, but the cast for S40 was likely already in place, and S39 had not aired. I do not take Hatch at his word that he was all scheduled to fly out to Fiji.
I was referring to what Cydtracked said: "if what he said is true about he went through all the prep to be on season 40 then they pulled the plug on him that's bad on the producers for even asking him to be on in the first place too I guess."
My thought was that he was asked to be on before the Dan crap happened, and they genuinely wanted him. Season 39 progressed while Richard was in the prep mode. When everything blew up, they axed Richard.
that season sucked but a guy winning that only played 13 days and returned to win was horrible for the game. I get it you made fire to beat some into the finals but you also hung out with the jury the whole time.
also no reason hatch needed to do a challenge naked. Dude just put clothes on. I get it you like being naked but that was just dumb.
That I can believe. I'm a little confused why he keeps throwing Tina's name out there. I doubt she was asked back considering her performances in All-Stars and BvW.
It was a very tough situation for the other players who didn't actually witness Dan's behavior at first. They didn't know what was game and what wasn't. Production should have stepped in sooner.
Actually when Chris was on EOE, everyone on the jury told him straight up he had no shot unless he did a few things. First was he had to convince someone to give him an idol (he tricked Devens). Then he had to win immunity but give it up and prove he could still survive (forcing himself into fire).
I still think Gavin was more deserving, but Chris winning was still a good win.
Season 39 sucked because of Dan, but omg Tommy is so underrated with his win. Guy's social game was one of the best all time.
To clarify, the bold is what I agreed to.
IMO, there are some lines you do not cross in the name of "game play". Trashing a person's real life reputation (if they didn't know what was going on and thought it was just game play) is wrong. And making false accusations of sexual harassment is off limits in the game AND irl.
Everyone has different lines though. Obviously Dan was a monster, but these people didn't know each other for more than a few days. If Kellee is lying out her ass about Dan, then she's just dragging his name through the mud and getting others to jump on. Completely ruining a guy trying to play the game. If she's telling the truth (which she was), then why didn't CBS do something about it sooner? The other players had no idea what went on yet they were told to keep playing the game. If CBS had explained to all that Dan's behavior wasn't going to be tolerated, they would have known what was game play and what wasn't. It's such a slippery slope. Hell it's okay and celebrated to lie about your grandmother dying....
Long story short, reality TV isn't perfect. You want people to be free to express themselves no matter how it makes them look, but at what point do you draw the line. I just hope it never gets anywhere near close as what Dan was doing.
FWIW, the grandmother thing pissed me off.
And we'll have to disagree here. Making false accusations of sexual harassment is wrong. Period. No discussion. I don't give a damn about game play in that situation.
I never said it wasn't wrong. No one should do that. That's not being disputed. However if someone is claiming that to you, in the game setting you have no idea what is going on. You don't know this person. You don't know if they're the type to cross that line just to win. You'd hope people would believe and support the person first and put game second but I'm just saying without the clarity, you're going to get all kinds of reactions right or wrong.
I loved the grandmother thing. Maybe because it was great TV. Obviously it was a sneaky sleazy move, but damn what drama.
