Terrence Samuel?

[swarthmoreCY]

This^^^
Sledge had a proven work ethic before committing to us. Give him a year in the system, once he starts making better decisions on offense and works on team defense, we might see a big change in him.

Bubu has a great work ethic too...and he is bigger and has proven to be a better defender, rebounder, ball-handler (better with the weak hand), and shooter as a freshman. So far we know Sledge is better at dunking.

Keep in mind, in the context of ISU basketball (which is all that matters in this case), your potential is what you can reach by the time your eligibility is up. Fair or not, for the purpose of comparing Sledge to Bubu, Sledge is only behind Bubu by one year on that growth curve. More specifically, the context of my contention (Bubu ahead of Sledge), specifies the time to reach said potential as the 2013-14 season.

I am not saying Sledge will not contribute, but I do not see him passing Bubu by 2013.

 

[State43]

Maybe, maybe not. Considering you have really not seen Sledge play at all, you are mearly speculating. You can't forget that Bubu played a decent amount of minutes last year so to say a year in the system doesn't give you a substantial advantage is stupid. If that were the case, why didn't Richardson start before Barnett at QB? Does that mean Barnett's ceiling is higher than Sam's or would you just be guessing? Give him time, if he busts, he busts. Or, like Diante Garrett, he might come out the next year and look like a completely different player than he did in the past. Just saying.
To sum it up. You don't know sh** about Sledge except that he doesn't play and Bubu plays in front of him. So with that logic, Percy wont ever play in front of Booker or Ejim down the road right....oh wait...that already changed.

 

[SvrWxCy]

How often do some of you need updates, daily or weekly? There typically isn't a lot of change on a day-to-day basis on the recruiting trail, unless you see a new offer. Samuel still has us as the favorite to my knowledge, there has been nothing to say otherwise. In fact, someone from Iowa State will be watching the South Shore game tonight, so we are definitely staying on him hoping to keep us at the top of his list.

Other than Iowa State the team that has been hitting him the hardest is Penn State, they often have someone down in Brooklyn watching him too...

 

[gocubs2118]

How often do some of you need updates, daily or weekly? There typically isn't a lot of change on a day-to-day basis on the recruiting trail, unless you see a new offer. Samuel still has us as the favorite to my knowledge, there has been nothing to say otherwise. In fact, someone from Iowa State will be watching the South Shore game tonight, so we are definitely staying on him hoping to keep us at the top of his list.

Other than Iowa State the team that has been hitting him the hardest is Penn State, they often have someone down in Brooklyn watching him too...

I need my updates hourly, thank you very much.

 

[SvrWxCy]

I need my updates hourly, thank you very much.

Well I try to post as often as there are updates on my Twitter feed... If that isn't enough than I don't know what would be... :swoon:

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Maybe, maybe not. Considering you have really not seen Sledge play at all, you are mearly speculating. You can't forget that Bubu played a decent amount of minutes last year so to say a year in the system doesn't give you a substantial advantage is stupid. If that were the case, why didn't Richardson start before Barnett at QB? Does that mean Barnett's ceiling is higher than Sam's or would you just be guessing? Give him time, if he busts, he busts. Or, like Diante Garrett, he might come out the next year and look like a completely different player than he did in the past. Just saying.
To sum it up. You don't know sh** about Sledge except that he doesn't play and Bubu plays in front of him. So with that logic, Percy wont ever play in front of Booker or Ejim down the road right....oh wait...that already changed.

Much of what you posted here is incriminating to your point.

1.) Sledge not playing as a freshman while Bubu got decent minutes as a freshman, if anything supports my contention that Bubu as a freshman was ahead of Sledge as a freshman. It is more speculative to suggest otherwise.

2.) Your attempt to support your stance with a comparison to Barnett and Richardson is frivolous except for indicating your lack of understanding the context of the discussion. No one is suggesting having a year in the system is not advantageous. Again, in the context of Bubu playing in front of Sledge, the players upside is what they can reach by 2013-2014. Although not fair, it does not matter if Bubu's play is better (and thus upside) due to being a year ahead in the system.

For your benefit, I will use a similar trivial football comparison. Would you start a freshman QB that had the potential to be better as a senior than your junior QB, even though that junior is currently better (perhaps due to experience) and will still be better the following season?

3.) Comparing Sledge to DG as a freshman is more speculative than anything I have posted. Sledge and Percy have little in common. Percy showed from the very beginning he had Big 12 talent and was our best center. It would take an idiot to think a 6-9 240 freshman with good touch around the basket would not eventually see some time iover a 6-5 "post". Sledge on the other hand got moved to shooting guard in high school, but is 5-7 and not currently a good shooter.

 

[Cydkar]

How often do some of you need updates, daily or weekly? There typically isn't a lot of change on a day-to-day basis on the recruiting trail, unless you see a new offer. Samuel still has us as the favorite to my knowledge, there has been nothing to say otherwise. In fact, someone from Iowa State will be watching the South Shore game tonight, so we are definitely staying on him hoping to keep us at the top of his list.

Other than Iowa State the team that has been hitting him the hardest is Penn State, they often have someone down in Brooklyn watching him too...

Penn State has a lot to offer.

 

[madcityCY]

What is the question?

Much of what you posted here is incriminating to your point.

1.) Sledge not playing as a freshman while Bubu got decent minutes as a freshman, if anything supports my contention that Bubu as a freshman was ahead of Sledge as a freshman. It is more speculative to suggest otherwise.

2.) Your attempt to support your stance with a comparison to Barnett and Richardson is frivolous except for indicating your lack of understanding the context of the discussion. No one is suggesting having a year in the system is not advantageous. Again, in the context of Bubu paying in front of Sledge, the players upside is what they can reach by 2013-2014. Although not fair, it does not matter if Bubu's play is better (and thus upside) due to being a year ahead in the system.

For your benefit, I will use a similar trivial football comparison. Would you start a freshman QB that had the potential to be better as a senior than your junior QB, even though that junior is currently better (perhaps due to experience) and will still be better the following season?

3.) Comparing Sledge to DG as a freshman is more speculative than anything I have posted. Sledge and Percy have little in common. Percy showed from the very beginning he had Big 12 talent and was our best center. It would take an idiot to think a 6-9 240 freshman with good touch around the basket would not eventually see some time iover a 6-5 "post". Sledge on the other hand got moved to shooting guard in high school, but is 5-7 and not currently a good shooter.

Don't forget that Bubu took a redshirt year. So actually, you should compare Sledge this year to that RS yr.

 

[Thompsonclone]

Much of what you posted here is incriminating to your point.

1.) Sledge not playing as a freshman while Bubu got decent minutes as a freshman, if anything supports my contention that Bubu as a freshman was ahead of Sledge as a freshman. It is more speculative to suggest otherwise.

2.) Your attempt to support your stance with a comparison to Barnett and Richardson is frivolous except for indicating your lack of understanding the context of the discussion. No one is suggesting having a year in the system is not advantageous. Again, in the context of Bubu playing in front of Sledge, the players upside is what they can reach by 2013-2014. Although not fair, it does not matter if Bubu's play is better (and thus upside) due to being a year ahead in the system.

For your benefit, I will use a similar trivial football comparison. Would you start a freshman QB that had the potential to be better as a senior than your junior QB, even though that junior is currently better (perhaps due to experience) and will still be better the following season?

3.) Comparing Sledge to DG as a freshman is more speculative than anything I have posted. Sledge and Percy have little in common. Percy showed from the very beginning he had Big 12 talent and was our best center. It would take an idiot to think a 6-9 240 freshman with good touch around the basket would not eventually see some time iover a 6-5 "post". Sledge on the other hand got moved to shooting guard in high school, but is 5-7 and not currently a good shooter.

You can't really say Bubu was ahead or better than Sledge as a Freshman because Bubu redshirted. During Bubu's Freshman year he already had a full season under his belt.

Edit: I was too slow in my response.

 

[madcityCY]

How often do some of you need updates, daily or weekly? There typically isn't a lot of change on a day-to-day basis on the recruiting trail, unless you see a new offer. Samuel still has us as the favorite to my knowledge, there has been nothing to say otherwise. In fact, someone from Iowa State will be watching the South Shore game tonight, so we are definitely staying on him hoping to keep us at the top of his list.

Other than Iowa State the team that has been hitting him the hardest is Penn State, they often have someone down in Brooklyn watching him too...

As you probably already know, I will consume information as fast as I can find and read it.

I think we see (in the case of this thread) that many people don't visit the site everyday, rather more like once a month - at which time they want to know what they want to know (where we sit with Samuel) without going thru 10 pages of thread.

Problem is solved if they know about Recruit Lists and/ or the twitter feed. Not sure how to make that happen for those who tune in once air twice a month.

 

[State43]

Don't forget that Bubu took a redshirt year. So actually, you should compare Sledge this year to that RS yr.

Thank you, and to top it off, last years team didn't have nearly the talent scholarship players that this years team does so comparing the lineups is silly. Bubu played by default last year but thankfully he did because the experience and drive I believe put him on the floor this season.
And to answer your football question, I absolutely would play the better qb regardless of class because you play to win, not build for 2-3 years down the line. Any coach would agree.
And Percy looked awful in the preseason league and looked way over his head in the exhibition. He just needed some confidence and reps to bring out what is there.
Look, i am not saying that Sledge deserves to play, i am just saying that we don't know ***** about him. Give him a year before you start saying who has more potential.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Don't forget that Bubu took a redshirt year. So actually, you should compare Sledge this year to that RS yr.

You can't really say Bubu was ahead or better than Sledge as a Freshman because Bubu redshirted. During Bubu's Freshman year he already had a full season under his belt.

Again, in the context of potential of an ISU basketball player, it only matters what they can demonstrate during their eligibility at ISU. No one is comparing who will be better by the time player reaches age x. Is Bubu redshirting an advantage for Bubu, of course. Another reason why Bubu's potential at ISU is greater than Sledges.

If you are so hung up on overall potential by age x, Sledge is only 6 months younger, and has played much more basketball than Bubu in his life, against better competition. He is likely to have less to go on his basketball growth curve.

Thank you, and to top it off, last years team didn't have nearly the talent scholarship players that this years team does so comparing the lineups is silly. Bubu played by default last year but thankfully he did because the experience and drive I believe put him on the floor this season.
And to answer your football question, I absolutely would play the better qb regardless of class because you play to win, not build for 2-3 years down the line. Any coach would agree.
And Percy looked awful in the preseason league and looked way over his head in the exhibition. He just needed some confidence and reps to bring out what is there.
Look, i am not saying that Sledge deserves to play, i am just saying that we don't know ***** about him. Give him a year before you start saying who has more potential.

And you were suggesting I was too speculative. Trying to equate playing time due to differences in rosters between seasons can be nothing more than subjective speculation. Alas I will give it a go: Bubu had to compete with an All-Big 12 pg at his position as a freshman, plus Jake Anderson and Scotty in the back-court. Thus far I would say 2010-11 backcourt is better and more of a challenge than a walk-on and two shooting guards minutes at the pg spot.

If you were basing anything off of CCL, no wonder you are so amiss. Even then, Bubu looked better than Sledge every year he has been in the league.

 

[SvrWxCy]

If you want to see updates from South Shore (NY) and Terrence Samuel then follow along here: Twitter

I've posted several updates this evening already...

 

[cyclonespiker33]

If you want to see updates from South Shore (NY) and Terrence Samuel then follow along here: Twitter

I've posted several updates this evening already...

Exactly

@ISURecruitListsISU Recruiting Info
Shamiek Sheppard has 19 pts & Terrence Samuel scored 17 pts for South Shore (NY) per @NYPost_Brazille w/ Iowa St asst Matt A. in crowd

 

[HardcoreClone]

Exactly

@ISURecruitListsISU Recruiting Info
Shamiek Sheppard has 19 pts & Terrence Samuel scored 17 pts for South Shore (NY) per @NYPost_Brazille w/ Iowa St asst Matt A. in crowd

I want both of these guys.

 

[Cy$]

is it a fair comparison that if we get ennis and samuel that it would be similar to Blaylock and Stinson?

Ennis seems more of a natural PG and Samuel is more of a slasher 2-Guard...that is based off of scouting services...

would be sweet to land both