That game was stolen from us.

[loyalsons4evertrue]

I really really really hate blaming refs and again, we played far from perfect, but this one felt different. It felt legitimately like the refs bet on WVU to win and cover and that's exactly what happened.

I know I sound crazy right now but tonight was just so stupid, even more, stupid than normal ref jobs.

Regardless of the refs though, we HAVE to find ways to win road games. At least in the Tech and OSU games, we were up big and choked those leads away. I'm all for winning at home, but it would be nice to steal a one more road win. That looks bleak though since we're still having to go to Manhattan, Waco, and Austin

 

[rochclone]

Huggins worked Roger Ayers the entire night including the foul call on Grill in the last 2 minutes. Ayers is usually working ACC games and i think the level of physicality was probably a shock.

 

[mharder]

• Referees:
• James Breeding
• Byron Jarrett
• Roger Ayers

 

[IASTATE07]

This guy was ******* awful.

 

[HFCS]

posted this in the other thread but this "foul" on Grill is as bad a call as you will ever see...and the guy came running in from further away than the ref who made the correct travel call

 

[Thompsonclone]

I did a little research. I’m sure every team in the league would have more fouls called on the road than their opponent but I’d be shocked if any team has as drastic of a difference as ISU does. At home, the games have been called fairly even and ISU has won their 5 conference games by a total of 79 points. On the road, the refs have just destroyed ISU. We’ve been called for 33 more fouls and have shot 46 less free throws. So in our 6 road conference games, we’re at -7 in point differential despite a 2-4 record and massive difference in fouls and free throws. I fully expect to get called for more fouls on the road but if there wasn’t such a drastic difference, I think ISU would be 4-3 or 3-3 on the road and be in first place.

 

[madguy30]

After beating the 5 best teams in the league already? That screams team that was probably the best in the league but just couldn't get it done against the bottom half.

No it doesn't.

 

[HouClone]

Would have been nice though not to continuous over help and leave West Virginia shooters wide open for 3 pointers.

 

[Thompsonclone]

Would have been nice though not to continuous over help and leave West Virginia shooters wide open for 3 pointers.

They only made 8. While I usually agree with this, had we not over helped and left them open, they probably end up getting a foul call anyways. All those wide open 3’s and we still got called for 30 fouls… run them off the 3 point and we probably get called for 40 fouls and have 5 guys foul out. And we also all know, even if Caleb makes that layup, WVU would have got a call and it won it at the line anyways.

 

[cayin]

That wasnt the issue.

The problem was he was more concerned about throwing his head back and selling the foul than he was making the layup. An egregious mistake with how the game was being called. If he pays more attention to making the shot, just like at the end of the OSU game, he likely makes it.

Grill has been great this year but the pouting the frustration bs with the refs or how's he's guarded needs to stop. Play your game as the other stuff is out of your control.

well, how can you blame him for being frustrated? Did see Touisant mugging the hell out of him and when he tried to gain some freedom of movement and pushed back got called for a foul? They should have called a foul on T before that even happened. Hell, the evidence was on Grills skin, it had scratches and red marks on it. Did you see when he was facing he basket trying to grab a rebound and the WVU player came crashing in on him from behind and he somehow fouled?

 

[Clonefan32]

Lipsey had the distinction of fouling out despite committing only one foul.

 

[CloneLawman]

well, how can you blame him for being frustrated? Did see Trousant mugging the hell out of him and when he tried to gain some freedom of movement and pushed back got called for a foul? They should have called a foul on T before that even happened. Hell, the evidence was on Grills skin, it had scratches and red marks on it. Did you see when he was facing he basket trying to grab a rebound and the WVU player came crashing in on him from behind and he somehow fouled?

The hillbilly Hok needs to get his when they come to Hilton.

 

[CYDJ]

I don't understand how Grill got called for the foul on the rebound they initially called a travel.

I'm pretty sure if you cause someone to travel becuase you undercut them, tripped them, or in any way interfered with them coming down while being in the way inadvertently or not, you have a good chance of getting called for a foul. I don't know the rule EXACTLY, but that is what I feel like the call has always been.

Now, that one was pretty close, becuase if you get tripped up or travel becuase YOU jump backwards into a man and flip over him whilst trying to secure the ball and YOU cause the movement and lack of bodily control, then it is a travel. That was a pretty close call and officials CAN over rule one another when they have a better / different view of the play.

I'm just not sure how the guy that came running in had a better view of the contact and what Caleb did than the guy standing 8 feet from the play.

 

[CYDJ]

Hopefully a good listen for Grill moving forward that you have to try to actually make the basket and not put the game in the hands of the officials

He did have 39:50 worth of evidence to have learned this last night AT LEAST. Officials swallowing their whistles at the end of the game is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard and I hate that theory, acceptance, its just a fact thinking. It's stupid and it should stop.

However, the poster here was correct, just play the game like always and make a better move to the bucket. Although, that is REALLY easy to say while holding my bucket of popcorn and leaning back a little bit in my recliner.

I think he was probably bracing for impact or trying to drive THROUGH the impact to get to the rim, etc. AND Touisant? made a great fake out D play and Caleb's split second decision threw him off.

Either way, he was giving his all and that's all I expect of him.

 

[CYDJ]

That wasnt the issue.

The problem was he was more concerned about throwing his head back and selling the foul than he was making the layup. An egregious mistake with how the game was being called. If he pays more attention to making the shot, just like at the end of the OSU game, he likely makes it.

Grill has been great this year but the pouting the frustration bs with the refs or how's he's guarded needs to stop. Play your game as the other stuff is out of your control.

ZRF, I like your even handed calling of every situation. AND your accurate criticism of just about everything Cyclone. It is really refreshing on this site of ISU fans. What college team do YOU root for?

 

[CYDJ]

So isu. I saw lots of missed bunnies and countless fuckups.

Uh huh.... The point is it should be:

(Our Great play + Our passable play - Our countless fuckups) vs. (Their Great play + Their passable play - Their countless fuckups). Who ever ends up with the greater amount wins.

AND THEN the officials need to be equally bad or good for both teams. They cannot tip the equation. They are there to make sure the game is fair. When they do a bad job, and even worse an inconsistent job, they insert a factor into the game that no one wants.

Does anyone who uses this excuse understand this VERY basic concept? How dense do you have to be to not understand that no matter how well or bad a team plays that officials have a role to play that can GREATLY influence the outcome of the game with just a slight move one way or another. Will they make mistakes. Yes, no one is perfect. Just like the players.

But, a game with so many bad and inconsistent calls is what hurt ISUs chances last night. The officials can suck at their job, they just need to be consistent with their sucking.

 

[mikeiastat]

I dont drink.

That scary. You post this stuff without being able to blame it on alcohol? Yikes!

 

[dafarmer]

Honestly they could have just handed the whistle to Huggy and saved themselves the effort.

We had a better chance to win with Huggy on the whistle, 3 tweets and he would have been sucking air.

 

[Malty Flannel]

They are NOT conference officials. There's no such thing.

Yeah, that's my exact point. The conference is not obligated to use them, therefore the conference should not use them again.

 

[Malty Flannel]

well, how can you blame him for being frustrated? Did see Touisant mugging the hell out of him and when he tried to gain some freedom of movement and pushed back got called for a foul? They should have called a foul on T before that even happened. Hell, the evidence was on Grills skin, it had scratches and red marks on it. Did you see when he was facing he basket trying to grab a rebound and the WVU player came crashing in on him from behind and he somehow fouled?

Even King McClure said, Toissant would not let him move.

The most egregious was on Rob. Felt terrible for him. Gets his face rocked and they call a defensive cylinder violation on him, then he grazes a guy with his shoulder who was violating his cylinder the exact same way, and they call a flagrant on him and foul him out on it.