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t-noah

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While we are on this, can anyone name several NFL QB's who were drafted high, after a limited college career, and didn't live up to the hype? And of those, did any pan out?

I'm drawing a blank. Was one a Browns draftee, before Johnny Manziel?
The guy I was thinking there, was Akili Smith, had one good year at Oregon, but was pretty much a bust in the NFL, Bengals (not the Browns).
 

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While we are on this, can anyone name several NFL QB's who were drafted high, after a limited college career, and didn't live up to the hype? And of those, did any pan out?

I'm drawing a blank. Was one a Browns draftee, before Johnny Manziel?
 

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The list of Star college qbs, failing in the NFL?
Endless.
Astonishing, when one considers the endless reels of tape, scouts/etc...are privy to.
My take. The College qb studs are surrounded by GREATNESS (namely, SUPREME Olines).
Gotta give HUGE ups, to those in Niner's org. HUGE!
 
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Tim Couch? I think he was the #1 pick one year and was a colossal bust.

Looked him up, had two decent years, Soph and Junior years, at Kentucky, left after Jr. year. NFL career was short and a bust.
Similar to Couch, was Ryan Leaf, had two good years at Washington State, a higher draft pick (#1 or 2, same year as Peyton Manning draft).

Big, big bust there.
 

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Kind of hard to succeed when you're getting sacked 50+ times a season.
 

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I was less optimistic on an aging Rodgers being the savior they needed. In my mind last night takes them from a good chance to be a first round team, to a team that'll be in a dog fight until the last week for a spot.

They have a good enough roster and the right division to still be a threat.
With their setup, I don't think he had to be the savior, though they clearly do need an offensive line that can pass block or no one is going to succeed in that spot.
 

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And Trey Lance could very well wind up being great. The Cowboys got a steal and will have some time to develop him.

But if Dak remains healthy, Trey might not get another chance for a while. It Probably does help the Cowboys in contract negotiations with Dak, upcoming.

More data, really, to just confirm that Brock is a special player.
In most instances, it seems as if a player sits behind a really good tenured QB (I'm not really saying that's Dak) they can learn a ton and often could develop mentally better than someone who is thrown to the wolves early on in their career. Obviously the trajectory could be different. But, Dak was calling the plays in preseason and supposedly had some success, so it's not like he's a dummy.
 
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Lazard has mentioned how being a four year starter can hurts your draft stock because scouts will start picking out flaws and ignore consistent productivity Similar thing happened with Purdy. Teams love to draft upside over college production.
The definition of the NBA draft as well.
 

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While we are on this, can anyone name several NFL QB's who were drafted high, after a limited college career, and didn't live up to the hype? And of those, did any pan out?

I'm drawing a blank. Was one a Browns draftee, before Johnny Manziel?
JaMarcus Russell? Did he have a long college career? I didn't think he did so I'm naming him. I guess I can google this to find out.

*His was kind of in between. Average lowly productive Sophomore year (60% completion %) and ramped up to 67% and much better the following year in stats.
 
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t-noah

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In most instances, it seems as if a player sits behind a really good tenured QB (I'm not really saying that's Dak) they can learn a ton and often could develop mentally better than someone who is thrown to the wolves early on in their career. Obviously the trajectory could be different. But, Dak was calling the plays in preseason and supposedly had some success, so it's not like he's a dummy.
How true. Teams just don't seem to be able to wait anymore. These 1st and 2nd round QB picks, the money they pay them (even with their rookie contract), coupled with the apparent lack of competent starting QBs, the pressure is high to play them right away. And a high draft pick QB's contract isn't so high as it might be later, so there is a 'salary window' with the salary cap, allowing them to pay other players a little bit more (free agents, etc.).
 

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JaMarcus Russell? Did he have a long college career? I didn't think he did so I'm naming him. I guess I can google this to find out.

*His was kind of in between. Average lowly productive Sophomore year (60% completion %) and ramped up to 67% and much better the following year in stats.
He got drafted because he had a cannon for an arm and had a big Sugar bowl against Notre Dame, and it was the Raiders
 

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He got drafted because he had a cannon for an arm and had a big Sugar bowl against Notre Dame, and it was the Raiders
He was your typical Al Davis draft pick. Freak athlete with a huge arm, but also no accuracy and was dumb as a box of rocks. All sizzle and no steak.
 

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He got drafted because he had a cannon for an arm and had a big Sugar bowl against Notre Dame, and it was the Raiders
Obviously wasn't a good pick, but looking back at that draft class, that group of QBs was also just horrible. 8 QBs from that group threw for over 1000 yards in the NFL, here they are in descending order of total career yards.

Trent Edwards
Kevin Kolb
JaMarcus Russell
Drew Stanton
Tyler Thigpen
Brady Quinn (the only other 1st round QB that year)
Troy Smith
John Beck
 

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A one hit/year wonder at NDSU. Could he be good some day in the NFL? Maybe.

Contrast his college experience to Brock Purdy, a 4 year starter, Cyclone record holder, in the Big 12.

But appearances are deceiving, aren't they?

If you look at Bill Walsh's and Bill Parcels' criteria for drafting a QB, they don't look at the metrics scouts evaluate. For example here is Parcels' criteria:

"Walsh believed in a simple answer: Few teams know what they are looking for in a quarterback.

So he flipped the paradigm: Instead of evaluating what a young QB could bring to his team, Walsh evaluated how a quarterback could excel in his West Coast offense. His cheat sheet demanded the following things: a quick-footed passer; a rhythm thrower; athletic movement; toughness; a winning pedigree; and someone who instinctively knew how to play quarterback. He scouted inside out, not outside in."

"Bill Parcells. He wanted a three-year starter. He wanted a senior in college, someone who graduated. He wanted a player who started at least 30 games, with 23 or more wins, and at least a 2-to-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Finally, he wanted a 60 percent passer."


If either were drafting, Purdy would not have slid down to Mr. Irrelevant.
 

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Trey Lance has always been a very big leap of faith, hopeful diamond in the rough type project but has never actually had sustained playing time or success. The epitome of drafting based on hope rather than accomplishments.
And they traded him to the Cowboys, a team they played in the playoffs last year and a team on their schedule this year. To me that shows how little the 49ers think of Trey Lance and his potential at this point.
 
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And they traded him to the Cowboys, a team they played in the playoffs last year and a team on their schedule this year. To me that shows how little the 49ers think of Trey Lance and his potential at this point.
That and only being able to get a 4th round pick in the trade, shows how the rest of the League feels as well?

And I'm rooting for the guy, seems like a good kid. Maybe with time, and in the right system, he will do well. He still young and inexperienced.
 

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That and only being able to get a 4th round pick in the trade, shows how the rest of the League feels as well?

And I'm rooting for the guy, seems like a good kid. Maybe with time, and in the right system, he will do well. He still young and inexperienced.
I think the 49ers were ecstatic to get a fourth round pick. I was expecting a sixth rounder at best.
 

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