this loss it on the offense, like it or not

[ISUAlum2002]

James Smith killed this team all day. He slipped while playing that receiver on the long TD pass....fine...but why the hell was he behind the receiver!??! They were already both in the end zone when Smith came running over, why didn't he run in front of him? And that personal foul he had just killed the defense. They were in good position to keep K-State from scoring and he completely hosed it.

Smith was also burned on that 55 yard TD pass. Sims missed the first tackle but Smith had taken a completely ridiculous angle toward the play and then couldn't catch up.

 

[chicagoCy]

I haven't waded through all of the comments in this thread, but I've gotta vent a little.... with a healthy A-Rob in the game, who knows what the outcome of the game would have been.... but my main comment I want to make is that until ISU gets some monsters up front on the D-line and some nasty D-ends, the Cyclones will more often than not be on the short end of the stick. I'm not questioning their heart, they play as hard as they can and they have a coach who lets them attack... but they are ridiculously undersized and slower than they need to be. I watched a lot of college ball today, and it really bugs me why ISU is so deficient in this area. Watching my girlfriends team (Wisco) made me quite jealous seeing their line sizes on both sides of the ball. There really is no excuse not to get some 6'2+ 290+ players on the line and end. Our LBs have seemingly been smaller as well, but I have no complaints with the LBs this year or in recent seasons. The coaches have to recruit like freaks to improve the D-line, scour the country, scour the JUCOs, look into the penal system football leauges, search Australia, I don't care, just get some legit Big12 linemen in there.
Wow, I feel better now... this internet message posting really works. :wink:

maybe you should take 5 min to read the thread then if you're going to start it out with "i haven't waded though all the comments in this thread" which is all of 2/3 pgs long now :skeptical:. from the first post we appauded the defense for doing more than there share of the work ALL YEAR LONG. what we are wondering is where the offense is after 5 games, the same offense that was at least serviceable last year and seems to have disapeared this year. end of my rant about your rant

 

[cyman1189]

AA is doing what he can - imagine your job changing completely every year.

It takes about 3 years on average for someone to be an absolute expert - AA will probably never go a year without a wristband play reminder. Imagine if every time you did you job you had to double check a new set of instructions before doing anything. AA is the right guy and Herman will get him there.

Ya'll will be coming to my neck of the woods by the end of the year - if Rice could win 10 - ANYTHING can happen.

i agree with this to a certain degree but my main counterpoint is that... well... analogy.:biggrin:

if u work at a job where you make spreadsheets and you get a new boss and he changes the requirements or style of the spreadsheets, you dont forget how to press teh keyboard do ya?

Sure AA has had 3 coaches but that doesnt excuse the poor passes! they plays change but it isnt like he has to learn how to throw a football over again... the system may change but throwing skills and mechanics do not ever change.

and im sure the coaches are calling plays that AA doesnt know:skeptical:

he knows the plays that they call, it isnt like AA gets the play and goes "o schnikies guys... i have no idea what routes people are running on this play" if thats the case then we do have big problems.

I guess i just want something more and it isnt there.... i would like to think it is with tiller but i know that the coaches know more than me and i trust CPR's judgement

 

[TexaClone]

Sure AA has had 3 coaches but that doesnt excuse the poor passes! they plays change but it isnt like he has to learn how to throw a football over again... the system may change but throwing skills and mechanics do not ever change.

Dang right there. However - ever notice how when you're 'thinking' too much even little things get forgotten? Like you go from no kids to having one and you forget keys because you have so much on your mind. Or a new girlfriend throws your schedule off and next thing you know you lose track of time and forget something you do every day?

I'm sorry but coverage alignment and checkdowns change with coaches - that easy dump off gets lost in your head - someone else tonight noticed it - when AA HAS to pass he gets better - he stops 'thinking' and just 'does'.

Hopefully it gets natural sooner than later.

 

[cyman1189]

I'm sorry but coverage alignment and checkdowns change with coaches - that easy dump off gets lost in your head - someone else tonight noticed it - when AA HAS to pass he gets better - he stops 'thinking' and just 'does'.

Hopefully it gets natural sooner than later.

agreed... i was talking to a fellow fan in the stands and we both were saying that we WANT arnaud to be the man because he is such a leader and great human being. and i say that 100% honest. i WANT AA to be the man for the job and i remember the days last year that he showed us he could be. i just want it back really bad and i guess at this point I see no problem with tiller but apparently the coaches do. i respect it and will cheer just as loud as normal no matter who is under center... i might just grit my teeth a lil more than normal:dull:

 

[Swanson10]

Going to have to agree with the OP, this loss is on the hands of part of the O. That part being mainly the QB but also the "playmakers" @ WR.

 

[Frak]

I blame Herman. AA didn't have any trouble completing passes last year. In fact, he lit up this same KSU defense. Now he can't throw a quick out or slant. Too much toying with his delivery to try to make it "perfect" when it wasn't bad to start with.

 

[tiberius]

I understand it being hard for AA with having all the different coordinators over the years, but why is he struggling so much to throw a pass to an open receiver with no pressure?

 

[Cyclonepride]

I blame Herman. AA didn't have any trouble completing passes last year. In fact, he lit up this same KSU defense. Now he can't throw a quick out or slant. Too much toying with his delivery to try to make it "perfect" when it wasn't bad to start with.

I don't know......he seems to throw off his back foot a lot. I certainly don't blame the OC for it though. Austin is a good QB, and he wasn't doing that last year. He was skipping throws that should have been easy routes. Perhaps he's thinking too much about his reads and not paying attention to his release?

 

[tiberius]

I blame Herman. AA didn't have any trouble completing passes last year. In fact, he lit up this same KSU defense. Now he can't throw a quick out or slant. Too much toying with his delivery to try to make it "perfect" when it wasn't bad to start with.

Don't want to dog AA, but if he makes the throws to the open receivers it is a different game. Not sure what the problem is.

 

[Frak]

I don't know......he seems to throw off his back foot a lot. I certainly don't blame the OC for it though. Austin is a good QB, and he wasn't doing that last year. He was skipping throws that should have been easy routes. Perhaps he's thinking too much about his reads and not paying attention to his release?

Yeah, but the OC IS the QB coach. IMO he's tinkering too much with AA's delivery when it was plenty good last year.

 

[Erik4Cy]

Pure and utter team loss. You can pick and choose tiny things here and there in all facets of this ballgame to choose what made us lose. The good news is they are all fixable.

Running game looks great as always. Yes Arob is special and we missed him. Schwartz proved he is more than capable. I also love how AA runs with a passion you don't often see in QB's. He also sells a helluva fake, just needs to find the right WR after selling it. That passing game has to click sooner, less erratic throwing early. Get AA calmed down in that respect and stop coughing up the damn ball.

Defense, for the love of all that is football PASS RUSH. Apparently we don't believe in ourselves enough, maybe just not good enough on that defensive front. We are a 10X Better tackling team than last year but it takes CB blitzes to get sacks. KSU's oline is nothing special especially compared to others around the Big 12(like ours which I forgot to mention is BEASTLY this year). Our DB's seem to be doing things right and made some really solid plays and tackles in the open space, those long bombs weren't their fault, hard to guard a WR in any game for 10 seconds.

Special teams, kickoff runbacks I do not have the stats on but LJ and Sims are very quality there. No, nothing for TD's yet but if we can have Arnaud starting on our 40 that will mean a lot. Punt returning? Not a lot for Lenz to do, just faircatch it, move on. Mahoney or oline on that last Xtra point? Who knows, little bit of both? Maybe the time from the sorta-review of the TD threw them off instead of getting right up there, but that is inexcusable. Your offense QB, WR do something like that to spark life and bring ya back from the dead, you gotta make the chip shots.

Maybe take away this, add that, but good effort nonetheless, but no moral victories. It was a team loss overall, no one person/entity/unit to blame it on. Other than maybe Paul Rhoads who would be the first to take all the blame for the loss I know. This is life as Cyclones people, all we can do is bounce back and prove we're not the lay down when backs are against the wall in close games teams like in the past.

Go out and BEAT KU!

 

[Al_4_State]

Arnaud's single biggest problem right now is fumbling. His passing didn't hurt us. It didn't help as much as it could have, but it didn't hurt us. I wish he could play every series like he plays when he's driving to tie it up. The guy is $ w/the game on the line, but pretty shaky the rest of the time. Hard to figure that one out.

 

[frontrangeclone]

maybe you should take 5 min to read the thread then if you're going to start it out with "i haven't waded though all the comments in this thread" which is all of 2/3 pgs long now :skeptical:. from the first post we appauded the defense for doing more than there share of the work ALL YEAR LONG. what we are wondering is where the offense is after 5 games, the same offense that was at least serviceable last year and seems to have disapeared this year. end of my rant about your rant

yes, the defense has done all they can for their size, speed, effort, and schemes. Perhaps that will be good enough for us to beat mediocre FCS teams, an awful MAC team, the worst of the three service academies, but not good enough to be a gawd-awful K-state team. My point is, until the D-line is serviced by guys who would at least be 2nd stringers at LSU, USC, or Texas, we'll never see more than 3-5 games a year. And, as I pointed out, maybe the offense would have stepped up today had their top RB been playing?

 

[Aclone]

Wrong all around. This loss was a team effort--offense, defense, and special teams. No reason to place blame.

 

[Ficklone02]

I think our de's ability to contain qb's from getting outside the pocket will be a major factor in the success of our team. Seems like Wally has a really good plan for the d....but we are in serious trouble when the play turns into a scramble since our d line does not have great speed. One would think that is something that has been a big emphasis and will be more of an emphasis going forward as we gave up two td's today on such plays. Otherwise we played really really good defense. Really like how we're wrapping up guys right now.

 

[Swanson10]

Arnaud's single biggest problem right now is fumbling. His passing didn't hurt us. It didn't help as much as it could have, but it didn't hurt us. I wish he could play every series like he plays when he's driving to tie it up. The guy is $ w/the game on the line, but pretty shaky the rest of the time. Hard to figure that one out.

Do not agree with this at all.

 

[Al_4_State]

Do not agree with this at all.

Outside of the Iowa game it's hurt us more than his lack of touch/accuracy. I guess it's just what worries me the most. When he misses guys, nobody is catching the ball, but when he's running downfield, he's proven to be liable to cough it up.

 

[Swanson10]

Outside of the Iowa game it's hurt us more than his lack of touch/accuracy. I guess it's just what worries me the most. When he misses guys, nobody is catching the ball, but when he's running downfield, he's proven to be liable to cough it up.

His touch and accuracy, well accuracy has been, and probably will continue, to be my biggest worry with him. Along with decision making, the way he locks on to one WR is really starting to drive me freakin crazy.

 

[CyBobby]

CPR says Tiller isnt ready to play.

Hopefull Rhoads will go out and recruit a spread offense quarterback and AA & JT will be history!!!!!!!