UNLV QB is leaving the program immediately due to the school not withholding NIL commitments

AuH2O

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If your employer started shorting your paycheck, how long would you stick around?

About the only thing we know about this case is that there wasn't a clear written agreement that spelled out what both sides will do. What will the collective or booster pay, and what kind of appearances, promotions, etc. will the player deliver. If it was clear and written, this would last all of about 15 minutes.

I'm a bit skeptical that it's as simple as a collective going back on a clear agreement, even a verbal. That would be a great way for a collective and individuals there to get sued, fired, and kill UNLV's chances of recruiting again.

When you're dealing with unwritten or poorly written agreements, both sides are going to hear what they want to hear and tell the other side what they want to hear.

My favorite take in all this is people saying things like "I know X player at this position in P5 is getting offers for $Y."

When you have everyone involved in the public discussions - players, their agents, the collectives and even the coaches trying to get more money from donors with zero negative ramifications for exaggerating, telling half-truths, using one-off situations as an indicator of an actual market, or flat-out making **** up, that absolutely is going to rampant.

There would be some benefits for all involved to get contracts out there, make it a standard, and have some transparency. But don't be surprised when there isn't exactly some massive push by players and their agents to make this all in writing and transparent. Situations like this would likely be avoided, but the most effective tool for bargaining that players have now is the fact that at least during the negotiation stage these are all verbals with tons of uncertainty in market values.
 

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There would be some benefits for all involved to get contracts out there, make it a standard, and have some transparency. But don't be surprised when there isn't exactly some massive push by players and their agents to make this all in writing and transparent. Situations like this would likely be avoided, but the most effective tool for bargaining that players have now is the fact that at least during the negotiation stage these are all verbals with tons of uncertainty in market values.
Suggesting that all existing NIL deals are verbal is wrong.
 

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It's a weird situation because the guy is in literally the last year of his life that he will ever be able to make money from playing football. He clearly found a team that wants to pay him more, but he can't finish the season due to eligibility, or maybe fear of injury.

I don't think him leaving is the story, the fact that some other team clearly talked to this kid's agent during the season and convinced him to quit playing seems like something that should not happen.

the bolded is debatable, but I think you can make a pretty good argument that while what he is doing to UNLV and his team is pretty crappy, he's still doing the right thing for himself.
 
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Suggesting that all existing NIL deals are verbal is wrong.
I know they aren't. I never said they are. I suspect most have some written component after both parties have discussed and agreed in principal. But I also suspect that the thoroughness and consistency in which there's a written agreement is all over the place ranging from good written agreements to handshake deals.
 

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About the only thing we know about this case is that there wasn't a clear written agreement that spelled out what both sides will do. What will the collective or booster pay, and what kind of appearances, promotions, etc. will the player deliver. If it was clear and written, this would last all of about 15 minutes.
Do you think NFL contracts are “clear written agreements“? NFL players hold out all the time for new contracts and it lasts more than 15 minutes. To me this feels like the college version of holding out.
 

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Are you sure that's what happened? This isn't a situation where I'm buying what this kid is selling. If this were a power 4 school, I could buy that you got promised money to play and it didn't happen for whatever reason. A mountain west school? not so much.

This reeks of covering his ass so fans don't kill him on social media. Notice how he doesn't give any details and is extremely vague.
Nobody's going to know. Kid will double down that UNLV didn't meet their promises and he had no choice but to leave. UNLV will double down that they did and he just bolted for more $$.

I'm leaning towards the belief that he and his family think his value has significantly increased, he was feeling shortchanged on what he's worth at UNLV, they saw the opportunity to RS and preserve his year of eligibility and go somewhere with deeper pockets.

But who the hell knows.
 

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Most of these kids are not getting degrees, the student/athlete has been a joke for years. Most of them are majoring in eligiblity, taking enough classes so they can play sports. Talking about the football and MBB teams here, less than half will get a degree, we celebrate those that do, and never talk about the ones that don't.

Source: trust me bro?

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So UNLV promised money, didn't deliver and he's leaving for a job that will pay him? What's hard to understand?


or UNLV story of he wants more money and quit. who knows whats true probably a bit of both
 

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Most of these kids are not getting degrees, the student/athlete has been a joke for years. Most of them are majoring in eligiblity, taking enough classes so they can play sports. Talking about the football and MBB teams here, less than half will get a degree, we celebrate those that do, and never talk about the ones that don't.
You have no idea what you're spewing out here.
 

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So UNLV promised money, didn't deliver and he's leaving for a job that will pay him? What's hard to understand?
The concept is simple to understand; the issue really is quitting your team mid season for selfish reasons and how the NIL is persuading kids to be selfish

It's a story that is hundreds of years old: The Power of Greed
 

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I would say it depends on the talent level of the kid, players with NFL talent, only half are graduating. Kids that get to college and realize they are not going to make money for playing are making up a lot of those kids getting a degree.

What Percentage of NFL Players Have a College Degree? When considering what percentage of NFL players have a college degree, it's notable that a significant number of players do graduate. According to the NFL Players Association, around 50% of NFL players have earned a college degree.Jun 11, 2024

NBA players its at 21%,

 

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I do. The kid was at partial scholarship Holy Cross last year, put up massive numbers and had all sorts of suitors in the offseason. I'm guessing UNLV gave him a giant offer because that's the only way a kid with his skills ends up there instead of the P4 and they couldn't back up the payments.

If I'm wrong I'll eat crow but this feels like a UNLV problem.
Here's my guess. I think he offered X plus Y with some strings attached. For whatever reason he's not getting Y at the moment and thinks he's being screwed. Someone called on him and he got an offer that was pretty good and now he quit for the "better" deal. Can't wait to see where he lands. This sounds like an Auburn deal.
 

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Here's my guess. I think he offered X plus Y with some strings attached. For whatever reason he's not getting Y at the moment and thinks he's being screwed. Someone called on him and he got an offer that was pretty good and now he quit for the "better" deal. Can't wait to see where he lands. This sounds like an Auburn deal.
Hugh Freeze seems like the type that would poach another team's players mid-season.
 
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One thing is for sure...lots and lots of NIL directors will be spending their day working the phones, reassuring donors.