What do you think of Caitlin Clark?

What is your perspective about Caitlin Clark?

  • Team Steph. I am at least somewhat supportive of her because she is so good for women's sports.

    Votes: 128 33.7%
  • Team Alisa. I don't care about Caitlin Clark because she is a Hokeye.

    Votes: 232 61.1%
  • Team Steph/Alisa. Please explain how you reconcile these two apparently mutually exclusive options.

    Votes: 20 5.3%

  • Total voters
    380
Status
Not open for further replies.

Gunnerclone

Well-Known Member
Jul 16, 2010
75,682
80,074
113
DSM
Have you listened to the discussion on the podcast?


Nope. Looking for cliffs notes. That’s why i asked the question instead of making the statement “I didn’t listen to the podcast”.
 

NWICY

Well-Known Member
Sep 2, 2012
35,656
31,802
113
She can shoot and complain with the best. Story of the yr for WBB because of her shooting. Not even the best player in college this yr IMO.

I'm guessing she doesn't translate well to the WNBA too scrawny and won't be able to play good enough D. Maybe she'll keep a spot being a 3 pt specialist.

To sum things up Team Alisa.
 

heitclone

Well-Known Member
Jun 21, 2009
16,630
14,433
113
45
Way up there
Honestly if I was comparing her abilities in the women's game to a man in the NBA I'd go with Allen Iverson. I'm only saying she's a female version on AI.
Id say James harden, elite offensively but doesn't really engage at the other end.
 

MJ271

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 9, 2012
2,130
2,763
113
Atkins
I think it's obvious that Clark has had a positive impact on women's basketball. The viewership numbers, attendance, and viral highlights make that clear.

However, I think I fall on Alisa's side. If we want men's and women's sports to be treated equally, then that will come with extreme criticism (but also huge fandom on the opposite side) of individual athletes primarily because of the team they play for or their style of play. There is still probably undue criticism of Clark and other women's athletes or teams because they're women, but I do think that it's decreasing significantly, and quickly.

The conversation reminds me a little bit of some comments about Iowa girls' sports from the director of the IGHSAU. She said, "When you talk with young boys, they focus more on winning. (With girls) it has to be fulfilling." (Article with quote)
In many ways, I thought that quote was simultaneously offensive to both the female high school athletes who want to win just as much as the boys do and also to the many high school boys who go out for sports for camaraderie more so than the competition.

That's not what Steph is saying about Clark, but I feel like some of the comments about Clark and the comments from the IGHSAU director might come from the same place--a feeling that women's sports need a different kind of treatment than men's in order for them to be successful.

That was probably true in order to get them started and get initial popularity. Maybe it still is true now. But in an ideal world with perfect equality, women's sports would inspire the same kind of passion as men's. In that world, for better or worse, players can be disliked and criticized primarily because of the jersey they wear, without needing to couch the criticism with "but I respect their talent."
 

Cyrocks

Well-Known Member
Mar 12, 2009
7,398
8,267
113
She can shoot and complain with the best. Story of the yr for WBB because of her shooting. Not even the best player in college this yr IMO.

I'm guessing she doesn't translate well to the WNBA too scrawny and she is a chronic whiner and won't be able to play good enough D. Maybe she'll keep a spot being a 3 pt specialist.

To sum things up Team Alisa.
I just added one more thing to your outstanding post
 
  • Like
Reactions: VeloClone and NWICY

Cycsk

Year-round tailgater
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 17, 2009
28,470
17,489
113
She's a Hawk so I don't care.

Like anything related to the U of I, a nuclear bomb could be dropped on them and I wouldn't shed a tear in fact I'd crack a smile.

We shouldn't misrepresent Team Steph. She despises the Hoks as much as anyone, but she can also rise above it to see that Clark is being good for women's sports.

Here is my hope: I want ISU to meet EIU deep in the NCAA tournament. I want Clark to have another fantastic game that perpetuates her impact on women's sports. But I also want Ashley Joens to have an even more fantastic game, including a game-winning shot in Clark's face! Or better yet, Ashley makes a no-whistle, chicken-wing move on Clark for the game-winning layup!
 

isufbcurt

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2006
27,550
44,522
113
46
Newton
We shouldn't misrepresent Team Steph. She despises the Hoks as much as anyone, but she can also rise above it to see that Clark is being good for women's sports.

Here is my hope: I want ISU to meet EIU deep in the NCAA tournament. I want Clark to have another fantastic game that perpetuates her impact on women's sports. But I also want Ashley Joens to have an even more fantastic game, including a game-winning shot in Clark's face! Or better yet, Ashley makes a no-whistle, chicken-wing move on Clark for the game-winning layup!

I understand what Steph is saying and I respect. Me personally I don't view the enemy as people, I view them as disposable.
 
Last edited:

ISUTex

Well-Known Member
May 25, 2012
9,903
9,652
113
Rural U.S.A.
I think it's obvious that Clark has had a positive impact on women's basketball. The viewership numbers, attendance, and viral highlights make that clear.

However, I think I fall on Alisa's side. If we want men's and women's sports to be treated equally, then that will come with extreme criticism (but also huge fandom on the opposite side) of individual athletes primarily because of the team they play for or their style of play. There is still probably undue criticism of Clark and other women's athletes or teams because they're women, but I do think that it's decreasing significantly, and quickly.

The conversation reminds me a little bit of some comments about Iowa girls' sports from the director of the IGHSAU. She said, "When you talk with young boys, they focus more on winning. (With girls) it has to be fulfilling." (Article with quote)
In many ways, I thought that quote was simultaneously offensive to both the female high school athletes who want to win just as much as the boys do and also to the many high school boys who go out for sports for camaraderie more so than the competition.

That's not what Steph is saying about Clark, but I feel like some of the comments about Clark and the comments from the IGHSAU director might come from the same place--a feeling that women's sports need a different kind of treatment than men's in order for them to be successful.

That was probably true in order to get them started and get initial popularity. Maybe it still is true now. But in an ideal world with perfect equality, women's sports would inspire the same kind of passion as men's. In that world, for better or worse, players can be disliked and criticized primarily because of the jersey they wear, without needing to couch the criticism with "but I respect their talent."

They are treated equally. It's the law isn't it?
 

HFCS

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2010
75,956
66,456
113
LA LA Land
A lot of the best basketball players take every inch of ground they can get with the refs leveraging their fame/talent and still complain to officials about every call anyway. Even "nice guys" like Tim Duncan have been among the worst at this.

I can accept it, just don't deny it exists.
 

MJ271

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 9, 2012
2,130
2,763
113
Atkins
They are treated equally. It's the law isn't it?
I guess if you view equal scholarships as being the primary aspect of equality, then sure. But equality goes way beyond Title 9 requirements. I'm talking more about equality in terms of public perception, which means fandom, viewing opportunities, and more.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: MJ29

4cy16

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2021
1,557
2,006
113
67
The amazing thing to me is that Dowling never made it to the state tournament with her. I believe that is a correct statement.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.