What's this team missing?

What's missing?

  • Swagger

    Votes: 6 7.0%
  • 3 Point Shot

    Votes: 21 24.4%
  • Coaching/Fred

    Votes: 18 20.9%
  • Bleached Tips

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Hustle

    Votes: 26 30.2%
  • Closers

    Votes: 14 16.3%
  • Depth

    Votes: 43 50.0%
  • Derpth

    Votes: 11 12.8%
  • Cheap High Quality Jerseys

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Loud Fans (too quiet)

    Votes: 10 11.6%
  • Clone Cones

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Nothing, the best is yet to come

    Votes: 7 8.1%

  • Total voters
    86

Rabbuk

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A Baylor bench player scored like 30 and grabbed like 20 boards. I'm going to go with inside presence.
 

NoCreativity

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Anyone who thinks we have any huge problems offensively is a moron. Our offense is still amongst the best of them. Do they make mistakes? Absolutely. They'll never play perfectly but the offense has been more than good enough to win.

Our defense is suspect to start with. When you have no depth to get your guys a breather a good defense becomes very average. Our defense isn't average to begin with. We have 3 guys who play hard defensively: Niang, Morris, Thomas. Niang is a serviceable defender after being poor the last three seasons. Morris is very good. Thomas has gone from being a huge liability to being a very good defender. That means at minimum we have 2 poor defenders on the floor and our good defenders become poor trying to cover for other guys.

Now those same 3 good defenders have to play 35+ minutes while the 3 guys they're guarding are playing 25 minutes. It's not even a fair fight at the end of the game.

Can anyone explain how the Big 12 defensive player of the year has turned into a complete non-factor on defense? I dont know if Prohm is coaching him to stay out of foul trouble but Mckay rarely even trys to block shots anymore. Numerous times he lets small guys blow right by him for easy layups without even trying to swat it away.
 

psyclone51

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This is the second loss in the B12 where we controlled the game for 30+ minutes and then lost. Fatigue is THE major factor.

Have to say I am a bit disappointed in Mackay. He seems to be sulking a lot when something doesn't go his way. That's very disappointing to me for a very good quality B12 player.

The loss of Naz is biting us more than most people expected. It's not so much his shot and it's not so much his nerve and its not so much his defense, but it's his presence. He elevated the psyche of this team on the floor, and he can't do that from the bench.
 

cyclones12321

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This teams missing a killer mentality. You put the talent this team has with the killer mentality we had in ejim and kane and we still haven't lost
 

swarthmoreCY

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Here nor there
A post player with bulk, a guard that can get to the hole and finish, a backup pg, Naz, several years of coaching in defense and rebounding...and today just some better luck (despite our weaknesses we still had a good chance, and will in most games).
 

Clone_12

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Toughness. Mental and physical toughness.

We're a talented basketball team that's fragile both mentally and physically.
 
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randomfan44

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I think it is clutch 3's. Naz had it, his loss is big. Niang has it. But no one else has that swagger t to carry the team on their back. In past years we had 3-4 horses or more we could ride to the finish line.

Didn't Morris hit three 3 pointers down the stretch?!? ISU is missing the depth needed to allow their starters to play more aggressive defense. Everyone looks scared to commit a foul and end up on the bench because they have no faith in who is coming in off the bench behind them.
 

TruClone

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Really missing that 6th man spark off the bench. Guys like McGee and Naz (when he was our 6th man) really helped get us going with some huge 3's.
 

Gunnerclone

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A healthy Monte that doesn't have to avoid any and all contact on the defensive end so he can survive to play on offense.
 

everyyard

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Naz, defense, sense of urgency, killer instinct, P5 coaching experience, 3 point threat besides Niang/Thomas, 2 years worth of decent recruiting, student section, inside post presence, game plan to run the offense through Niang at the end.
 

jimlahey

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your team is missing defense...the offense is fine. but ISU gave up 60 points at home in the 2nd half, that's a bigger issue than the offense.
 

Gunnerclone

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your team is missing defense...the offense is fine. but ISU gave up 60 points at home in the 2nd half, that's a bigger issue than the offense.

We're not missing defense, it was never there. That's why I don't understand the hand-wringing.
 

CyFan03

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What's this team missing? Royce White, Jamaal Tinsley, Fred Hoiberg, Victor Alexander, Jeff Hornacek, and Gary Thompson. Yeah, that's what they are missing.
 

SCarolinaCy

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Teach McKay to play bb. He has proven he is coachable. ( see free throws.)
Ask Burton if he has what it takes to bb.
Teach team to play defense.
Teach team to step up before the last 5 min of game.
Get the bench ready to play.
 

Clone_12

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We're not missing defense, it was never there. That's why I don't understand the hand-wringing.

Our team emphasized all offseason how much time they spent working on defense, and how they knew it was an area they needed to improve on in order to reach their goals, and at the beginning of the year it was pretty solid...

Now we're back to our old ways though.
 

Gunnerclone

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Our team emphasized all offseason how much time they spent working on defense, and how they knew it was an area they needed to improve on in order to reach their goals, and at the beginning of the year it was pretty solid...

Now we're back to our old ways though.

I can work on organic chemistry my entire life and not get any better at it. We really just need one solid defender that understands principles and has the athletic ability to guard another team's best player, but we don't have that and we never had that on this team and it's not coming so we might as well score.
 

Jer

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Those of you saying Fred are very suspect. That guy (who basically stopped recruiting 2 years ago, thus the lack of depth now), had more games like today's than any coach in the country the past several years with a Top 15 team. He got us to new heights, but is also partly to blame for the lack of depth and toughness we have right now. He groomed these guys to be finesse players and kept them soft, now we're showing why we aren't at the level of OU with better players.