Who was the best modern Iowa State Men's Basketball Team?

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Agree with others here. Tinsley and Fizer and I don’t think it’s really a debate. Every national college fan and media member worth their weight knew that Elite 8 game was the national championship. MSU walked through the final four that year. We finished 3rd in the polls if I recall.
What’s crazy though is that most in the media thought UCLA was going to beat that team in the Sweet 16.

Uhhhhh…not so much. Tinsley was a rebound away from a triple double and the good guys absolutely demolished those fools.
 
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Yeah, it was kind of a goofy year. It was also before they ranked the teams publicly. The other #1 were Arizona, Duke and Stanford. I believe AZ was in the regional that played in TX. That is probably where ISU belonged, and AZ and Stanford should have fought over the West #1.

I agree MSU was the best team going into the tournament. Also, ISU wouldn't have had to give up a #1 seed if they did it like they do now. Where the first-round games are determined by the best seed of the group playing there. We could have been the #1 seed in the West and still played in MN if the changes they made were in place, then.

Cincinnati was almost assuredly in line for a #1 until Kenyon Martin's injury. That, and the Pac-10 co-champ situation (they didn't have a postseason tournament yet), muddied the waters a little.

Arizona went Salt Lake > Albuquerque.
Stanford went Birmingham > Austin.

And if the pod system had been in place the next season, ISU would have started in Kansas City instead of ******* Boise.
 
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Yeah, it was kind of a goofy year. It was also before they ranked the teams publicly. The other #1 were Arizona, Duke and Stanford. I believe AZ was in the regional that played in TX. That is probably where ISU belonged, and AZ and Stanford should have fought over the West #1.

I agree MSU was the best team going into the tournament. Also, ISU wouldn't have had to give up a #1 seed if they did it like they do now. Where the first-round games are determined by the best seed of the group playing there. We could have been the #1 seed in the West and still played in MN if the changes they made were in place, then.

Good overall point, that was prior to "pod" system, where first weekend sites are favorable for high seeds but can feed into any region ... the sub-regional sites fed directly into the Regional placement.

Example - Midwest in 2000 first weekend was Cleveland for 1-16/8-9/5-12/4-13 and Minneapolis for 6-11/3-14/7-10/2-15 ... regional site Auburn Hills. It was "locked."

Whether it would have made a difference for ISU either as 1 or 2 if it was adapted to current system, that would take some reconstructing (I could do it, but not enough time right now).

A minor detail in your analysis -- Stanford was in Austin regional as 1 seed Southeast (1st weekend Birmingham), Arizona was 1 seed West in Albuquerque (1st weekend Salt Lake City). Main point is correct, just a flip in the specific Pac-"X" placement
 

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Cincinnati was almost assuredly in line for a #1 until Kenyon Martin's injury. That, and the Pac-10 co-champ situation (they didn't have a postseason tournament yet), muddied the waters a little.

Arizona went Salt Lake > Albuquerque.
Stanford went Birmingham > Austin.
That Cincinnati team was legit. One of Iowa State’s 5 losses. They were 28-2 (Xavier and Temple) with a healthy Kenyon Martin.
Preseason #2. They were #1 every week but 5 weeks out of the whole year.

Completely fell apart after that injury.
 

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What’s crazy though is that most in the media thought UCLA was going to beat that team in the Sweet 16.

Benefit-of-doubt, retrospectively, I can understand why analysts went ga-ga about it, UCLA obliterated Maryland in round of 32 ... so it probably was irresistible "hot take upset" to take UCLA over ISU.

That made the actual outcome even sweeter.
 
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Benefit-of-doubt, retrospectively, I can understand why analysts went ga-ga about it, UCLA obliterated Maryland in round of 32 ... so it probably was irresistible "hot take upset" to take UCLA over ISU.

That made the actual outcome even sweeter.

It was a really talented UCLA team, five NBA guys, plus some big time recruits (JaRon Rush) who were that level of talent but just didn't pan out.

Their win over Maryland was like watching the FGCU Dunk City team if it was a team made up of 4 and 5 star guys. Earl Watson throwing lobs all over the place. They seemed like they were putting things together as they had struggled early but were on a hot streak until they ran into us.
 
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99-00 team lost 5 games...

Stinker vs. Drake when they were trying to figure things out
#1 Cincinnati at tournament in Hawaii
2OT at Oklahoma
OT at Colorado (Fluke 3 by Walls to send it to OT)
at MSU that should have been a Championship game match-up. Final 4 at the very least.
 

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It was a really talented UCLA team, five NBA guys, plus some big time recruits (JaRon Rush) who were that level of talent but just didn't pan out.

Their win over Maryland was like watching the FGCU Dunk City team if it was a team made up of 4 and 5 star guys. Earl Watson throwing lobs all over the place. They seemed like they were putting things together as they had struggled early but were on a hot streak until they ran into us.
I watched that game in the Metrodome and said there was no way they were going to get those lobs against us - Maryland wasn't pressuring their guards and that was a strength of our defense.

And then that's exactly what happened - they didn't get a single lob. Also, Jason Kapono was one of the most annoying college players ever
 
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I watched that game in the Metrodome and said there was no way they were going to get those lobs against us - Maryland wasn't pressuring their guards and that was a strength of our defense.

And then that's exactly what happened - they didn't get a single lob. Also, Jason Kapono was one of the most annoying college players ever
Kapono was annoying a ****. Could shoot the rock though.
 

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The Fizer/Tinsley team. Should've been National Champs. Michigan State needed the refs to bail them out. They walked through the Final Four. Iowa State would've done the same. The Willoughby/Cato team from 97 was really good too. Don't forget about them. Would love to see those two teams play each other. Floyd vs Larry.
 
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1997 isn't the best, but I'd like to see them matched up against some of other teams listed just from a rock fight angle.

F - Pratt (SR)
F - Bankhead (SR)
C - Cato (SR)
G - Willoughby (SR)
G - Holloway (SR)

Allowed just 60.4 ppg and got hosed out of an Elite 8 spot.
Was Fizer that much more dominant than Cato? Better on O certainly but Cato had elite D. Also I think Willoughby was close to matching Tinsley in his way.
 
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Who was the best team in the recent history? Who wins in a 4 team tournament?

1999-2000 - Record 32-5 Player: Marcus Fizer, Jamaal Tinsley, Kantrail Horton, Paul Shirley
2013-2014 - Record 28-8 Players: Korie Lucious, Chris Babb, Will Clyburn, Tyrus McGee
2015-2016 - Record 23-12 Players: Georges Niang, Monte Morris, Matt Thomas, Abdel Nader, Jameel McKay, Deonte Burton
2022-2023 - Record so far 14-4 Players: No Big stars. A complete team? Perhaps

I would say Marcus Fizer's team wins this showdown. But it would be fun watching some of the match-ups!
No question 2000 and 2001 tournament teams. Won league. 2000 team won league and tournament. Really no debate. Tinsley best player also. No real debate.
 

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Was Fizer that much more dominant than Cato? Better on O certainly but Cato had elite D. Also I think Willoughby was close to matching Tinsley in his way.
This team was my favorite…ranked as high as #4 in the nation, in the top ten most of the year, but lost 3 of the last 4 in the Big 12. Willoughby was a volume shooter who shot 40% plus from 3. Lost to UCLA at the buzzer in the Sweet 16, Willoughby shot 17 threes and made 8 in his final game. Although the 2000 team was probably better, the 1997 team’s potential path to a Final Four was #10 ranked Cincinnati , #7 UCLA, and #3 Minnesota. IMO, a better end to the regular season would have given them an easier path and a realistic shot at a Final Four.
 
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Was in college for the '99/'00 team. They are the best team I ever saw play at ISU. They had everything a team needs. If they play MSU anywhere besides Michigan that year they win the national title.

If the rumors about them choosing the 2 to be able to play in Minneapolis over the West #1 are true, its a shame that team deserved to go to the Final Four. I remember seeing their and UCLA's second rounds games in MN. UCLA looked absolutely unstoppable; ISU absolutely dismantled them in the Sweet Sixteen.

They would have beat MSU if not for a really bad call and the absolutely justified melt down CLE had.

I would also like to go on the record that ISU would be the only team in the B12 to win the outright regular season and conference tournament and not be definite #1 seed. The fact it was in question baffled me then as it does now thinking back on it. They dominated the B12 that year, KU was good, and ISU was better. They should have been considered the 2nd or 3rd best team in the country at worst and so how ended up in the same bracket as MSU. Which if that was by ISU choosing so be it, but if it was how the committee drew it up, it is completely wrong.
I was at the UCLA game @ Auburn Hills. What a team, what a game. Kopono and the boys with the towels on their heads was awesome! Sure wish Syracuse wouldn't have blown their big first half lead over Sparty. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I didn't stay for the MSU game though. That would have been awful.
 

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I was at the UCLA game @ Auburn Hills. What a team, what a game. Kopono and the boys with the towels on their heads was awesome! Sure wish Syracuse wouldn't have blown their big first half lead over Sparty. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I didn't stay for the MSU game though. That would have been awful.
I had a place to stay, tickets and transportation for both games in Auburn Hill. Had a professor that wouldn’t let me out of a test that Friday. Didn’t go.

Moral of the story kids, don’t ask permission.

Seriously though not sure if I could have made it home after that loss.
 
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I believe the out bounds area's were painted in MSU green colors to tell you that was an MSU home game. MSU rolled through final 4 games were not even competitive