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I also saw Nojus struggle to get the ball over half court against Lipscombs backups to know that he would not have been better option either.
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I also saw Nojus struggle to get the ball over half court against Lipscombs backups to know that he would not have been better option either.
Fair enough. My point is you have to try and retain some of these kids as depth/rotational pieces when they are upperclassmen. Is that easy, certainly not. But we’ve got 0 contribution from 6 of 7 kids in our last 2 recruiting classes (Rock, Hamilton, Nojus, Billiew, Pierce), and nothing from King in the class before.
That’s 7-8 roster spots wasted. In this era of moneyball we can’t do that imo. We’re not the Yankees or Dodgers. We’re the Rays. To keep us sustainably good we have to try and retain and develop some of those kids at least two non-redshirt years for depth pieces.
The only one we did that successfully with is Watson.
You don’t think King is a better player than Kelderman? Respectfully disagree.
And maybe Nojus isn’t better than Kelderman now, but his ceiling is higher than Keldeman’s. We weren’t going to lose to Lipscomb playing either Kelderman or Nojus
Most likely the guys will not have further commentary, but ’won’t let everything slide’ and ‘clearly more to it’ were interesting takes on Ke.
How does Nojus’ ceiling have anything to do with or would have helped this weekend?
From my eyes, his ceiling is a long ways away.
It wouldn’t have helped this weekend. If we can retain him in 2 years it could help on one of those weekends.
If we could have retained King for two years (which is a huge if I’ll grant you) would he have helped this year?
By retaining Watson, he kept our heads afloat when Milan went down.
I guess my point is we shouldn’t be saying “well fine those kids transferred they weren’t B12 players”.
My point is if you can keep at least some of those kids for at least more than one or two years (I’m assuming Nojus will transfer), they can be an important depth piece in year 3. I’m not naive enough to think we can keep players as bench players their whole careers. But at least some of these kids would be nice to hold onto.
King or Hamilton would have been very helpful to have this year
Yes and no. When it rises to ZRF or King Bieb level, that could be an appropriate response. However, I wouldn't phrase it like that.
Not only is King Bieb completely lacking in NCAA basketball or football coaching experience or knowledge, he is not at practices watching how players perform. Nor is he aware of private conversations between the actual coaches and players. Nor is he aware of the players' health. Nor does he know what it going on in the players' lives.
Should King Bieb be allowed to criticize coaching-- yes he should!! Should King Bieb be making blanket authoritative pronouncements, given his knowledge and experience deficits?
And if his lay-up at the end of regulation against BYU had gone in instead roling out, and he made the and-1 ft, ...
It'd be nice if this podcast could at least acknowledge the role they played in leading the charge on the hype/expectations all last offseason and during the hot start at the beginning of the season. To now listen to them discuss all that in the passive voice, as if they were just witnesses to it rather than primary contributors, is disappointing.
It isn't their fault that the team didn't meet expectations, but we were wildly misled on the team's depth and development.
It isn't their fault that the team didn't meet expectations, but we were wildly misled on the team's depth and development.
Oh come on. We are all (assuming majority of us) are adults. You can choose what you want to believe or not believe or what disappoints you and what doesn’t.
Not singling you out but a handful of people have posted similar comments about being misled and pumped with optimism. I will NEVER understand why people take two podcasters opinions as fact and gospel and if it doesn’t come true then they are the bad guys.
I said after the Marquette game this team could win a national championship..why don’t people come after me? I was wrong.
They did. They thought Nojus would be great & that accompanied their expectations/depth.
Add Nojus not panning out & our main PGs getting injured = not meeting expectations. I think it’s perfectly reasonable.
Old people are so bad at trolling. They either make an insult and no one even realizes it is, or they sound like a deranged maniac. No in between lol
Iowa State started 17-2 and was ranked #2. I guess I don’t see how we were primary contributors to that hype/expectation. Appreciate the feedback.
It would have been disingenuous to say we couldn't make a final 4 at that point. I guess you were supposed to see the Milan, Keshon, and Tamin injuries, and CuJo's illness coming.
I'm sorry I just can't get onboard with this. #1 We watch the games. Is there anything about what we saw in Maui or the non-conference that made you believe this wasn't a group that could get to the Elite 8 or the Final 4. Chatfield was playing good minutes off the bench. Heise was defending well. There was not a better backcourt in the country then Gilbert, Jones and Lipsey and then you had Jackson in the post averaging double-digits and Jefferson averaging 12-13 point and distributing from the 4 spot. Plus Milan who was averaging double-digits as well. You were 9 deep out in Maui with Chatfield playing 43 minutes (14 minutes a game) and Nojus playing 30 minutes (10 minutes a game).
This team beat Marquette by double digits, won at a rival in Iowa when they didn't have their best stuff were a half court heave from being 18-2 and 8-1 in the conference on January 27th.
There was not a single major sign that things would/could go sideways until Milan's broken finger, then Jones, then Gilbert and then Lipsey injuries.
Sure they were contributing to it but the hype/expectations were absolutely realistic at the time. After the Gilbert/Jones not playing at Houston and Gilbert not playing at Oklahoma State (February 25th) you didn't hear much about the Final 4 or Elite 8 unless it came with the caveat of "getting healthy."
Exactly. The game is won and lost over 40 minutes. We can all play the "If ands and buts were candy and nuts-:we would all have a Merry Christmas."
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