Williams & Blum: The Monday after

CapnCy

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They're a podcaster with inside knowledge and good friends with the coach, and the other is the bag man for the program. It's not just a couple of random guys.

Yeah, that's kinda the thing about these podcasts as we know they DO have info they can't share or they have to speak in vague terms....i also recognize this is a fansite and they don't have to be true journalists (didn't CW originally say he wouldn't cover TJ due to his friendship?)

I appreciate the insights they have and are able to share.

I think this is true but would love clarity. Isn't this the true last "wild west" of NIL as this next year the revenue sharing happens? Then won't these discussions truly be "we know ISU will commit $XYZ to bball, $XYZ to football" from a budget perspective? And then non-football schools could give more to bball, but any other discrepancies would be based on school priorities?
 

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At the end they had shared how a few players had been sent negative messages from "fans"

I hate that for the young men...but this is the wild new world we are in. Like when Hawkins from KSU was crying and mentioned the hate he received from fans and wish the amount didn't get out...i think it also is just a weird spot for fans....we can all agree no name twitter trolls are just NASTY in all parts of life.....but I think a lot of fans also probably DO get a little more frustrated now knowing likely most on the team make over a quarter million a year and a lot of that is based on fans being asked to contribute to make that happen.

Again, I don't want the students to get this "noise"...but I think the days are gone where we just look at them as "kids" (and I'll tell ya, I think MANY of our student athletes are still wonderful people who DO want to connect with fans and kids, but the purity certainly has been clouded)
 

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Good to know!

I will just keep forming my own opinions based on what my eyes tell me like an actual rational person!
A rational person would use the information from people more knowledgeable than them, not ignore it, but you do you I guess
 

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Interesting to see the Sweet 16 team builds

Look at Iowa State top 8: two original anchors and rest are non P4 moving up. To be fair, UNLV & St. Mary's are traditionally good programs in and out of rankings.

Lipsey - ISU
Mom - ISU
Gilbert - UNLV
CuJo - Buffalo
JJ - St. Mary's
Jackson - UNC-Charlotte
Heise - UNI
Chatfield - U of Seattle

Hopefully Batemon, Mitchell class can have a couple of anchors too.
 

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“We’re not gonna waste time analyzing yesterday’s game. We’d rather look at the big picture.” Followed by 20 minutes of analyzing the game. Lol.
 
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The one thing about the podcast that is so disappointing... is some people dogging on the players and the players hear/read/see it.

We all love ISU and want them to win every single time they compete regardless of sport. These are 18-24 year old men and women competing their asses off. They want to win even more than we do. They wear the ISU uniform and go to battle while we watch and cheer. We need to dial it back a little when mistakes are made. Let's not go hating on them.... let's support them regardless. Let's not be A-holes. When these kids are done competing at ISU, I want them to look back on their time in Ames with good vibes for the rest of their days.

If you want to hate on athletes and their performances, channel it towards the NFL, NBA, MLB. NHL, etc.
 

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I like the Houston and Duke makeup, need to regularly make the S16 to get to that level. 5 homegrown guys provides consistency but filling the spots as needed. 4 might be more realistic with COVID done.
 

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The one thing about the podcast that is so disappointing... is some people dogging on the players and the players hear/read/see it.

We all love ISU and want them to win every single time they compete regardless of sport. These are 18-24 year old men and women competing their asses off. They want to win even more than we do. They wear the ISU uniform and go to battle while we watch and cheer. We need to dial it back a little when mistakes are made. Let's not go hating on them.... let's support them regardless. Let's not be A-holes. When these kids are done competing at ISU, I want them to look back on their time in Ames with good vibes for the rest of their days.

If you want to hate on athletes and their performances, channel it towards the NFL, NBA, MLB. NHL, etc.
You can scream that as loud as you can and we all should, unfortunately humans suck. And suck even worse behind the anonymity in social media
 

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For me personally, I'm going to not form a real strong opinion of next years team until late Feb. I'm also not going to be such a slave to KenPom knowing how manipulated those numbers are by year end, just don't reflect teams getting better/worse.
 
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I'm sorry I just can't get onboard with this. #1 We watch the games. Is there anything about what we saw in Maui or the non-conference that made you believe this wasn't a group that could get to the Elite 8 or the Final 4. Chatfield was playing good minutes off the bench. Heise was defending well. There was not a better backcourt in the country then Gilbert, Jones and Lipsey and then you had Jackson in the post averaging double-digits and Jefferson averaging 12-13 point and distributing from the 4 spot. Plus Milan who was averaging double-digits as well. You were 9 deep out in Maui with Chatfield playing 43 minutes (14 minutes a game) and Nojus playing 30 minutes (10 minutes a game).

This team beat Marquette by double digits, won at a rival in Iowa when they didn't have their best stuff were a half court heave from being 18-2 and 8-1 in the conference on January 27th.

There was not a single major sign that things would/could go sideways until Milan's broken finger, then Jones, then Gilbert and then Lipsey injuries.

Sure they were contributing to it but the hype/expectations were absolutely realistic at the time. After the Gilbert/Jones not playing at Houston and Gilbert not playing at Oklahoma State (February 25th) you didn't hear much about the Final 4 or Elite 8 unless it came with the caveat of "getting healthy."
AND (going back further) ISU was ranked #5 in preseason AP poll, and a large chunk of reliable sources + bracketologists had it pegged in 2 to 4 seed range pre-November. All of that seemed within reason to most fans (even those of us who tend to be a little cautious about these things).

If Williams & Blum did "overhype," they weren't alone.
 
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I bet there’s a great deal of sabotaging going on with the social media burner accounts. Like pretending to be your rival’s fanbase.

Also a bunch of degenerates with gambling addictions.
Exactly we can still call out the ******** online, but most of them are fake fans or bots. At some point players need to either realize that or get off social media if they can’t handle it.
 
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Yes, metrics mattered.

That's likely how they got the three seed.

Nojus played quite a bit in those blow outs so he had plenty of reps. Maybe there's just a bit more to the decisions than 'but he scored 6 points on a Sunday afternoon in November'.
Not pointed at you @madguy30, but It's all such ********. To a point, I appreciate metrics (as a splitting hairs thing among equals), but all of the Team X won and moved from Q2 to Q1 and Team Y lost and dropped from Q2 to Q3 stuff is just a bunch of the tail wagging the dog. At the end of the day, ISU losing to K-State at home and @ Okla. State were just lame ass bad losses regardless of their Q rating.

I don't need a math geek telling me that Q1 is better than Q2 is better than Q3, etc. No matter how you shake it, those were two "U-G-L-Y, You aint' got no alibi" losses! I'm not mad at ISU players or coaches, they busted their balls all year. Just get sick and tired of all of the metric B.S. (regardless of whether it helps or hurts ISU). There is no glory in pummeling a lesser team to meet a metric standard, and there are no excuses for losing badly to a lesser opponent.

Had a few. Just venting. :)
 
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