only one reason we are not as good as we thought...
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I don't think they are any worse. At the same time I don't think they are much if any better. It just doesn't seem like the team developed and improved as a whole. The Big 12 will let us all know soon enough.
We're not as good as we should be. I think two big things have been hit on that are a major factor: rebounding and ball movement on offense.
The team is not worse, however, the team is not really much better than past years either.
And that is the most frustrating/concerning thing.
And that is the most frustrating/concerning thing.
Records are roughly the same. 4 losses this year and last.
2009/10 losses to Northwestern, UNI*, Cal, Duke.
2008/09 losses to Hawaii, Iowa, Drake*, South Dakota State*. (beat UNI in OT)
(* homes losses)
Not top 25 on the schedule last year. Duke is and I thought Cal was too.
Maybe we don't like what we see, but I think it's pretty clear that our record is better to this point (all things factored)
GoShow is right, the Big XII is going to tell us alot. I don't think there's much arguement about the non-cons from last year to this. None of us is going to argue that the Big XII is a step up from last year as well.
"Hopeful", might be the best term to use here.....?
2009/10 losses to Northwestern, UNI*, Cal, Duke.
2008/09 losses to Hawaii, Iowa, Drake*, South Dakota State*. (beat UNI in OT)
(* homes losses)
Not top 25 on the schedule last year. Duke is and I thought Cal was too.
Maybe we don't like what we see, but I think it's pretty clear that our record is better to this point (all things factored)
GoShow is right, the Big XII is going to tell us alot. I don't think there's much arguement about the non-cons from last year to this. None of us is going to argue that the Big XII is a step up from last year as well.
"Hopeful", might be the best term to use here.....?
Three of our losses this year came against teams that are or were at one point ranked somewhere. UNI gets some national pub as being pretty underrated. This team is better than last year. Having said that, they are probably not as good as they should be.
i also still dont like the lack of scoring when someone is our face... we struggle to make shots when no one is in our face... where is the strength of being able to go through someone and get a foul or just score. we dont or havnt shown that ability... thats big.
This basketball team is Average At Best....They were picked for 8th place and to put it charitably they are playing like an 8th place conference team right now.
Unless McDud finds a good point guard soon, this season will be just another lost cause and a major headache for good old jamie the accountant, going into McDud's 5th season.
Craig Brackins?...the guy cant play in a structured offense....quoting steve deace
Unless McDud finds a good point guard soon, this season will be just another lost cause and a major headache for good old jamie the accountant, going into McDud's 5th season.
Craig Brackins?...the guy cant play in a structured offense....quoting steve deace
I have been and am still of the opinion that DG should drive the lane every single time down the floor. If your guard penetrates the lane and the opposing D can't keep him out of there, something good happens 75% of the time. Either a basket by the guard or a dish by the guard for an open shot or a foul by the other team, etc.
DG has the ability to get in there everytime. This is what Tinsley did and it was a big part of why he was so dominant.
DG has the ability to get in there everytime. This is what Tinsley did and it was a big part of why he was so dominant.
I agree with this. But again, it will only work if everyone else follows DG's penetration with movement. If they all just stand and watch, well then it will be one-on-one basketball, and we will get shot down.
This team does not seem to have a clue how to run whatever offense it is trying to run.
Yes, DG's assist to turnover ratio is good this year......so far. We will see how he performs when he gets into some competition in conference. The guards in the Big 12 are not the guards playing for NDSU, Mississippi Valley, or others. He has not always done very well against athletic guards, so I think the jury is still out there until Big 12 play gets going.
My problem is I can never tell what the offense is supposed to be, or who is running it. I don't see DG or Colvin directing people on the floor. I don't see who is calling the plays out for sure. It looks to me like the game plan is to have DG dribble on top, the other 4 form a box outside the lane.......and then they wait for someone to get in front of the guy guarding them, and that player gets the ball. Then the other 4 stand and watch to see what that player can do with it. No movement, no screens, no back door.
Also, with Colvin and DG.....I just don't see the basketball IQ there that is needed for a Big 12 point guard. Tinsley had it. So did Blalock. So did Hornacek. I don't see it in these guys......sorry. I don't think GMac sees it in them either. If he did, why would you recruit a JC point guard when DG still has a year left?
As far as run and gun.....you can only do that if one or two things are present......either/or a pressing defense that forces a lot of turnovers, especially in the backcourt, or a very good defensive rebounding team. Unfortunately, ISU is neither. They can get steals against poor non-conference competition, but I will be pleasantly surprised if they can do that against most Big 12 teams. And rebounding....when Houston and NDSU out-rebound you, forget about it in the Big 12. You don't have a chance.
Bottom line.....GMac recruited these players. They are his....so if they are not the right players, whose fault is that? Also.....if the team chemistry is bad....whose job is it to monitor that and take steps to improve it, if not the coaching staff's?
Unless there is a sudden miraculous change in attitude and execution of an offense, I think this is going to be a very long, frustrating Big 12 season.
Yes, DG's assist to turnover ratio is good this year......so far. We will see how he performs when he gets into some competition in conference. The guards in the Big 12 are not the guards playing for NDSU, Mississippi Valley, or others. He has not always done very well against athletic guards, so I think the jury is still out there until Big 12 play gets going.
My problem is I can never tell what the offense is supposed to be, or who is running it. I don't see DG or Colvin directing people on the floor. I don't see who is calling the plays out for sure. It looks to me like the game plan is to have DG dribble on top, the other 4 form a box outside the lane.......and then they wait for someone to get in front of the guy guarding them, and that player gets the ball. Then the other 4 stand and watch to see what that player can do with it. No movement, no screens, no back door.
Also, with Colvin and DG.....I just don't see the basketball IQ there that is needed for a Big 12 point guard. Tinsley had it. So did Blalock. So did Hornacek. I don't see it in these guys......sorry. I don't think GMac sees it in them either. If he did, why would you recruit a JC point guard when DG still has a year left?
As far as run and gun.....you can only do that if one or two things are present......either/or a pressing defense that forces a lot of turnovers, especially in the backcourt, or a very good defensive rebounding team. Unfortunately, ISU is neither. They can get steals against poor non-conference competition, but I will be pleasantly surprised if they can do that against most Big 12 teams. And rebounding....when Houston and NDSU out-rebound you, forget about it in the Big 12. You don't have a chance.
Bottom line.....GMac recruited these players. They are his....so if they are not the right players, whose fault is that? Also.....if the team chemistry is bad....whose job is it to monitor that and take steps to improve it, if not the coaching staff's?
Unless there is a sudden miraculous change in attitude and execution of an offense, I think this is going to be a very long, frustrating Big 12 season.
Sorry......I disagree......what do you base this on? Maybe you did not see Hornacek play.....honestly, he was better than any other point guard I saw for ISU, including Tinsley. Jacy was also excellent. IMO, DG is not even on the radar yet. He is not an excellent passer, he does not direct the offense, and he is not much of a scoring threat.
dryburn is right on... he doesnt turn it over and has good assist turnover ratio, but that obviously does not equal wins... not a scoring threat at all, and doesnt have control of the offense... maybe he understands the offense, i dont know, maybe hes the only one that does on the team, i dont know... but he doesnt have command of it on the floor.
dryburn is always right on. I always read his posts while some I won't even look at.
DG ebbs and flow depending on his energy level. Sometimes fantastic, sometimes non existent.
wow he can pass the ball. how does he rank with scoring. teams dont have to guard him because he wont make baskets.
