They'll go after Ward to create foul trouble and that would be pretty bad if it happened in two minutes. Probably Gilbert too.
Imo it might be best to stick with the same rotations to keep that rhythm in place.
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They'll go after Ward to create foul trouble and that would be pretty bad if it happened in two minutes. Probably Gilbert too.
Imo it might be best to stick with the same rotations to keep that rhythm in place.
CycloneErik
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Or you're worn out from surviving the aggression over and over and over.....
Yeah it’s not ideal to have games that late but it’s been happening for at least 10 years with these tip times. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I think this is the first time we’ve played the late game in the Sweet 16 round so it’s fairly new to us.
For some reason, this year the national media is up in arms about it like it hasn’t been happening for a decade.
I’m not sure what the solution is.
Edit: last years times were moved up 30 minutes but the years before that mirrored this years tip times.
I'll be pulling for Creighton and Houston if ISU goes down. Shead is my favorite player in the country to watch
CycloneErik
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I'm pulling for Houston and Creighton in any case. Not over us, but that's only an issue in the title game for any of us that get there.
They have in my observations a little bit of a "University of Iowa Football" vibe, thinking they are an elite program one small step short of a blueblood.
I’ll take the 5 inches and experience with Domask if that’s the matchup. You’ll NEED to send a double everytime down the floor if that’s the case.
i like Painter because he is relatively clean in a really dirty industry.
Creighton, 100% with you there. Plus if they get the chance they can beat UConn.
Here is an interesting one I would like to get your take on. The main Illinois site has this nugget: "According to a great snippet from kenpom, offenses tend to dictate games to defenses in general and particularly when two very good units meet."
First I have heard that. I always think D travels better etc but I am also a Bears fan so....
I assume Pomeroy's blog series on offense vs. defense is what was referenced by the Illinois site. The summary is linked below.
It's accurate that he finds that offenses have more control over how much they score than defenses do. He finds that about 64% of an offense's points per possession are controlled by the offense rather than the defense. But of note, turnovers (steals, particularly) are one of the things that defenses have more control over. He also says, "the defense's tools are two-point defense and influencing shot selection." The latter of those is what Iowa State generally tries to do, forcing a team to take uncomfortable twos and take more threes than they would ideally like to.
I definitely think there's something to your point, @RezClone, that Otz's defense is more about dictating than most. They make it very easy for the offense to go the places that they'd like the offensive players to go (the baseline, for instance) while using hedging and double teams to keep offenses from doing what they usually do (using ball screens to get to the rim, for instance). Another small example is how it's very common for Iowa State to show a zone defense coming out of a timeout because they know that the offense may have drawn up a play, and playing a zone usually forces the offense to scrap that play.
That all being said, if the offense is making tough shots, which Illinois is capable of doing, the defense can't do much about it. That's where a lot of the offensive control comes from.
I don't think our defense is that unique. No middle defense has been trendy, particularly in the Big XII, the last few years. Baylor and Texas Tech ran it very effectively in recent years. I just think we are doing it better than anybody right now.
Orange. Cannot recall the last time we wore blue. Would post a picture of the uniforms on here but it is an ISU site after all.In classic CF fashion, i have given way too much thought about the uniform situation. Really glad we get to wear the whites with the gold CYCLONES on the front one more time. We are NEARLY undefeated in them (FU A&M)
Completely relevant and irrefutable, I know. Might as well pack it up now Illini
Does Illinois wear the orange or blue tomorrow?
We need to know ASAP for visualization purposes. We need firm confirmation post haste, please.
I like those matchups as well, but I really don't see TJ taking Rob out of the starting lineup. So he'll have to hold his own for a bit. As the game goes on we may see more Ward, because that means he's not in foul trouble, and he's causing disruption on defense.
My favorite lineup (not considering matchups) is Ward, Milan, Gilbert, Curtis Jones and Tamin.
Great post. Informed, fair, measured. High level stuff there.
Fair. However I think people are reading too much into turnovers. For example, Illinois had 17!!! TO @ Rutgers and still won by 18 and put up 76. Rutgers obviously isn’t near ISU’s level, but against Tennessee they only had 9 and put up 79. I think this game comes down to Iowa State’s offense more than their defense to be quite honest. If you can score consistently I think y’all win this game. (Probably will need to hit at least 75)
Teams I'll be rooting for outside if ISU loses or rest of the way - Houston of course. Creighton, wouldn't mind seeing them move on and Arizona given they're excited about coming to the B12 and will make the conference even stronger next year.
Looks like Fridays slate of games is better. But I still can't believe how late our tip time is.
Looks like Fridays slate of games is better. But I still can't believe how late our tip time is.
I wasn't talking about the 3's though, because I was referring to the number of 2's/tough shots they kept hitting after we were playing solid defense. That was the frustrating part.
Not the exact answer you are looking for but iirc on the Williams and Blum pod this is the first time ISU has played on a Thursday sweet sixteen since the Elite 8 run. If true, hopefully history repeats in moving on.
Your not wrong. But it is quite different than the pack line or the sticky man that I still think is more associated with high level defensive teams like Virginia and San Diego State.
We see no middle trapping D all the time in the Big 12. The big ten? Almost non existent. At least by anybody who does it really well. Rutgers and Maryland come to mind, and they both play a more traditional sticky man style.
