NBA: Cyclones' off-season: contracts, draft, summer league
- Thread starter I-stateTheTruth
- Start date
There wouldn't have been anything similar for Nader either before he got drafted.
2nd half of second round is a lot harder to guess than the rest. I've seen enough G league to be pretty confident that Shayok would have been one of the better players in the G league last season let alone if he makes any improvement.
I'd rephrase it "two years where he led Virginia in points scored per minute played". Bad fit. Easy to look at his numbers, minutes and style of play and tell that he just wasn't the right fit. NBA offense is absolutely nothing like UVA's.
If you have 40 minutes and love hoops, Alex Halsted's podcast with NBA scout (unaffiliated?) Sam Vecenie is really a good listen. He goes through all the 5 leaving ISU guys (and even recaps Monte Morris and discusses Haliburton) in terms of how their games translate as professionals. Vencenie watched a lot of ISU hoops and has some great, dispassionate comments on last year's team. If you're interested in how NBA teams evaluate prospects, it's a good listen. A few nuggets from the podcast:
* He thinks THT will go late in the 1st round but he says he woudn't take him until around the 35th pick. He thinks he still has too much developmental work to do on his shot and defense to get much production out of him right away.
* He thinks Shayok's route to the NBA could be through the G League as a "3 and D" guy but that he tended to lose focus on defense this year. He also says that his feedback from Portsmouth was that Shayok played selfishly in a bid to get noticed.
* He's actually higher on NWB due to his "feel for the game" and his ability to contribute by doing so many little things. He thinks he could end up with a 2-way contract.
* He thinks Lard can't do enough with the ball in his hands right now but could be considered by G League teams due to his elite athleticism.
* Watching ISU, he felt like the team chemistry was hurt with Wigginton in the game in the last year. He thinks he still doesn't have the skill set for the NBA - too many turnovers, for example - but the G League is a likely landing place for him to work on his game.
* He actually had Monte Morris as a late 1st-round talent so he saw more in him than a lot of NBA guys.
He loves Haliburton and think he needs to add 15+ pounds and learn to get his shot off quicker (and off the bounce). No shocked readers on CF on those point. He thinks his feel for the game is incredible though and seems to think he'll have a good NBA career.
Link:
https://anchor.fm/cyclone-scoop/epi...own-Iowa-States-draft-prospects-Ep--14-e407ba
* He thinks THT will go late in the 1st round but he says he woudn't take him until around the 35th pick. He thinks he still has too much developmental work to do on his shot and defense to get much production out of him right away.
* He thinks Shayok's route to the NBA could be through the G League as a "3 and D" guy but that he tended to lose focus on defense this year. He also says that his feedback from Portsmouth was that Shayok played selfishly in a bid to get noticed.
* He's actually higher on NWB due to his "feel for the game" and his ability to contribute by doing so many little things. He thinks he could end up with a 2-way contract.
* He thinks Lard can't do enough with the ball in his hands right now but could be considered by G League teams due to his elite athleticism.
* Watching ISU, he felt like the team chemistry was hurt with Wigginton in the game in the last year. He thinks he still doesn't have the skill set for the NBA - too many turnovers, for example - but the G League is a likely landing place for him to work on his game.
* He actually had Monte Morris as a late 1st-round talent so he saw more in him than a lot of NBA guys.
He loves Haliburton and think he needs to add 15+ pounds and learn to get his shot off quicker (and off the bounce). No shocked readers on CF on those point. He thinks his feel for the game is incredible though and seems to think he'll have a good NBA career.
Link:
https://anchor.fm/cyclone-scoop/epi...own-Iowa-States-draft-prospects-Ep--14-e407ba
Fan Sided site TheJNotes.com has a summary on whether they believe that Georges will be retained by the Jazz. Here are their thoughts:
Georges Niang, whose contract isn’t guaranteed for 2019-20, had an up and down season where he found himself with and without playing time throughout the year. When Thabo Sefolosha was out earlier in the year, Niang found himself in the rotation. However, later on minutes would become hard to come by for a while. But then in the playoffs, he found himself contributing yet again.
He had some nice moments in the playoffs, but overall he wasn’t all that efficient. However, he did shoot a promising 41 percent from deep in 59 games played in the regular season, so I’d say he did an admirable job of proving his worth, especially at a salary of just over $1.5 million. His athletic shortcomings will likely prevent him from ever being a key part of the rotation, but his energy, long-range shooting ability and basketball IQ keep him an intriguing role player off the bench.
Considering that the Jazz have options on his contract moving forward, they could decide to let him walk if they need a roster spot or trade him to sweeten a deal. However, I believe the Jazz like what they’ve found in Niang and are likely to hold on to him. Especially for a team that lacks shooting prowess, Georges is a nice fall-back option, particularly when he could be retained for pennies on the dollar over the course of the next two seasons.
This is far from a guarantee as Niang isn’t anything close to crucial for the Jazz, but considering how well he’s developed, how efficient his contract is and the potential that still remains in him, I predict that the Jazz will very well bring Georges back yet again to continue to be a part of what they hope will transform into a complete and promising roster.
Link: https://thejnotes.com/2019/05/04/utah-jazz-who-will-and-wont-be-back-next-season/4/
My guess is if he is on a new team next year, it’ll be because Utah included him as extra value in a trade package, not because they simply turned him away.
Georges Niang, whose contract isn’t guaranteed for 2019-20, had an up and down season where he found himself with and without playing time throughout the year. When Thabo Sefolosha was out earlier in the year, Niang found himself in the rotation. However, later on minutes would become hard to come by for a while. But then in the playoffs, he found himself contributing yet again.
He had some nice moments in the playoffs, but overall he wasn’t all that efficient. However, he did shoot a promising 41 percent from deep in 59 games played in the regular season, so I’d say he did an admirable job of proving his worth, especially at a salary of just over $1.5 million. His athletic shortcomings will likely prevent him from ever being a key part of the rotation, but his energy, long-range shooting ability and basketball IQ keep him an intriguing role player off the bench.
Considering that the Jazz have options on his contract moving forward, they could decide to let him walk if they need a roster spot or trade him to sweeten a deal. However, I believe the Jazz like what they’ve found in Niang and are likely to hold on to him. Especially for a team that lacks shooting prowess, Georges is a nice fall-back option, particularly when he could be retained for pennies on the dollar over the course of the next two seasons.
This is far from a guarantee as Niang isn’t anything close to crucial for the Jazz, but considering how well he’s developed, how efficient his contract is and the potential that still remains in him, I predict that the Jazz will very well bring Georges back yet again to continue to be a part of what they hope will transform into a complete and promising roster.
Link: https://thejnotes.com/2019/05/04/utah-jazz-who-will-and-wont-be-back-next-season/4/
My guess is if he is on a new team next year, it’ll be because Utah included him as extra value in a trade package, not because they simply turned him away.
And Marial was 4 for 13 in the upper box score.
Dang. I was hoping that they'd both do well there.
Agreed. Shayok is an absolute grinder/winner in much the same way of Naz, Matt, Monte and Georges.
Shayok has advanced from the G-League combine to the NBA combine. I think he will have a good opportunity to turn some heads at the NBA combine.
Travis Hines has a pretty good read here on how NBA teams may be viewing Horton-Tucker and Shayok in the run-up to the NBA combine. He also devotes some paragraphs to Wigginton's situation:
https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190515/hines-column-what-to-look-for-at-combine
https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190515/hines-column-what-to-look-for-at-combine
I didn't want to start a new thread so I decided to post this here.
This mock draft from Sports Illustrated - made with the combine in mind - has THT falling to #35 (Atlanta Hawks), outside the 1st round.
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/05/14/n...s-lakers-zion-williamson-ja-morant-rj-barrett
No love for Marial in this one.
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/05/14/n...s-lakers-zion-williamson-ja-morant-rj-barrett
No love for Marial in this one.
NBA.com did kind of a puff piece on Marial Shayok. Ostensibly, it says that he's improved his draft stock but there's not a lot of concrete info from the combine noted to back this up. But it is a nice overview and talks about how he'd like to be the first Ottawa native to play in the NBA:
https://ca.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2...t-the-perfect-time/1d8smjr7tx3yi1y0pb46raxyvq
Note: this seems to be a Canadian version of NBA.com.
https://ca.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2...t-the-perfect-time/1d8smjr7tx3yi1y0pb46raxyvq
Note: this seems to be a Canadian version of NBA.com.
This was done in late February but it's one of the best summaries / scouting reports I've seen on Marial Shayok's game and how he could project to the NBA. Good read:
http://www.professionalbasketballcombine.com/news/pbc-senior-spotlight-marial-shayok
http://www.professionalbasketballcombine.com/news/pbc-senior-spotlight-marial-shayok
Fansided site Thunderous Intentions has a good summary of Abdel Nader's season and where he could fit in with OKC going forward. Overall, the writer is positive on how Abdel could contribute but his assist numbers - woof.
If you're following Nader, this is worth a look:
https://thunderousintentions.com/2019/05/21/okc-thunder-player-review-abdel-nader-untapped-talent/
If you're following Nader, this is worth a look:
https://thunderousintentions.com/2019/05/21/okc-thunder-player-review-abdel-nader-untapped-talent/
