Just curious. I don't really know to be quite honest. What kind of seeding and so on do they expect now with this K=State loss. Are they still getting in. Do we have a case for making it? Thanks for the help
Do the women deserve a bid to the dance?
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The Big 12 is far and away the best conference in the land. The B12 lead over the 2nd best conference in conference RPI is larger than the 2nd place conference has over the 6th place conferece.
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ISU finished .500 and in 4th place.
Plus, with Ames as a host site and the ISU fan base I would put odds above 95%, but I understand feeling uneasy about it too.
I think we are in, especially since Ames is a host city. This has some weight in WBB. Maybe it shouldn't, but seriously, attendance will be much better if ISU is in.
I'm going to transfer my posts from the KSU game over here. They might help to clarify.
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Now that Jerry Palm's quit (who was the better of the two), the only major women's bracketologist I know of is Charlie Creme. He has ISU in as the third-to-last team in the tournament. Presumably they'll drop somewhat after today, probably out....
The last four teams in, according to Creme. All these teams are done for the season.
Temple: RPI 48; 0-5 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 6-0 v. 51-100; bad loss @209
Iowa State: RPI 44 (before today); 3-7 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Michigan State: RPI 64; 2-3 v. top 25; 2-4 v. 26-50; 1-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 111, @122, v202
Texas: RPI 46 (before yesterday); 2-7 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 4-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Even with the loss, I think we're the strongest of these four teams, and unless some mid-major conference champs lose in their tourneys or some other bubble teams make strong tournament runs (either of which could reasonably happen), I think we're probably on the right side of the bubble.
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Now that Jerry Palm's quit (who was the better of the two), the only major women's bracketologist I know of is Charlie Creme. He has ISU in as the third-to-last team in the tournament. Presumably they'll drop somewhat after today, probably out....
The last four teams in, according to Creme. All these teams are done for the season.
Temple: RPI 48; 0-5 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 6-0 v. 51-100; bad loss @209
Iowa State: RPI 44 (before today); 3-7 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Michigan State: RPI 64; 2-3 v. top 25; 2-4 v. 26-50; 1-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 111, @122, v202
Texas: RPI 46 (before yesterday); 2-7 v. top 25; 2-3 v. 26-50; 4-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses
Even with the loss, I think we're the strongest of these four teams, and unless some mid-major conference champs lose in their tourneys or some other bubble teams make strong tournament runs (either of which could reasonably happen), I think we're probably on the right side of the bubble.
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The first eight teams out, according to Creme.
North Carolina: RPI 87; 1-9 v. top 25; 0-1 v. 26-50; 4-0 v. 51-100; bad loss 245; done for season
USC: RPI 30; 1-5 v. top 25; 2-1 v. 26-50; 6-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses; playing 125 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
Michigan: RPI 45; 0-4 v. top 25; 4-3 v. 26-50; 1-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @167; done for season
James Madison: RPI 34; 0-1 v. top 25; 1-1 v. 26-50; 7-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @188; playing tomorrow (CAA tourney)
Oklahoma State: RPI 52 (before yesterday); 2-6 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-1 v. 51-100; bad losses v116, v117; done for season
Kansas: RPI 47; 1-6 v. top 25; 3-2 v. 26-50; 5-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 116, @178; playing 8 this evening (Big 12 tourney)
Wake Forest: RPI 83; 1-7 v. top 25; 0-2 v. 26-50; 3-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses; done for season
Arizona State: RPI 66; 0-3 v. top 25; 0-3 v. 26-50; 4-2 v. 51-100; bad loss @108; playing 166 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
There's no way Iowa State doesn't get in before North Carolina, Oklahoma State, or Wake Forest. I would say the same about Michigan except we lost head-to-head against them; still, our complete folio is stronger than theirs.
I don't think James Madison will get in before us -- we just want Delaware to win the CAA tournament to make it a one-bid league.
USC might look slightly weaker than us now (despite the gaudy RPI), but a good run in the Pac-12 tourney could put them in front of us. If they beat California to get to the finals, I think they're probably ahead of Iowa State.
Arizona State would need a win over Stanford on Friday to have a chance to make it in. Not happening.
Kansas isn't going to beat A&M this evening. But if they do, I'm worried.
North Carolina: RPI 87; 1-9 v. top 25; 0-1 v. 26-50; 4-0 v. 51-100; bad loss 245; done for season
USC: RPI 30; 1-5 v. top 25; 2-1 v. 26-50; 6-2 v. 51-100; no bad losses; playing 125 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
Michigan: RPI 45; 0-4 v. top 25; 4-3 v. 26-50; 1-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @167; done for season
James Madison: RPI 34; 0-1 v. top 25; 1-1 v. 26-50; 7-3 v. 51-100; bad loss @188; playing tomorrow (CAA tourney)
Oklahoma State: RPI 52 (before yesterday); 2-6 v. top 25; 3-3 v. 26-50; 2-1 v. 51-100; bad losses v116, v117; done for season
Kansas: RPI 47; 1-6 v. top 25; 3-2 v. 26-50; 5-1 v. 51-100; bad losses 116, @178; playing 8 this evening (Big 12 tourney)
Wake Forest: RPI 83; 1-7 v. top 25; 0-2 v. 26-50; 3-3 v. 51-100; no bad losses; done for season
Arizona State: RPI 66; 0-3 v. top 25; 0-3 v. 26-50; 4-2 v. 51-100; bad loss @108; playing 166 this evening (PAC-12 tourney)
There's no way Iowa State doesn't get in before North Carolina, Oklahoma State, or Wake Forest. I would say the same about Michigan except we lost head-to-head against them; still, our complete folio is stronger than theirs.
I don't think James Madison will get in before us -- we just want Delaware to win the CAA tournament to make it a one-bid league.
USC might look slightly weaker than us now (despite the gaudy RPI), but a good run in the Pac-12 tourney could put them in front of us. If they beat California to get to the finals, I think they're probably ahead of Iowa State.
Arizona State would need a win over Stanford on Friday to have a chance to make it in. Not happening.
Kansas isn't going to beat A&M this evening. But if they do, I'm worried.
If you're looking for other teams to cheer for in their conference tournaments: UWGB and UTEP. UWGB in particular losing would be bad, because the Phoenix are going to be in the tournament regardless. UTEP losing would make them another bubble team.
Deserve? I think so. Will they get one? I don't know. My heart says yes, but my Cyclone sense of history is skeptical.
They're 26-3 in a mid-major conference (11th out of 31 by RPI). They're 4-1 v. the RPI 51-100 -- better than most of the bubble teams, including the Cyclones. They're not remotely a sure thing, but I can see the possibility of the committee putting them ahead of Iowa State; it's tough to compare two teams with such completely different portfolios.
Really???
Wins over Tulane, Memphis, and Idaho St. don't equate to KSU, Texas, TTech, Kansas, OU, Iowa.
Plus UTEP has a couple really bad losses.
Their resume is no were near as good as the cyclones.
Just the same, I will be happy if they win their tourney.
Haven't most of the tickets already been sold to Cyclone fans who anticipated getting into the tournament?
I hate to say it but I don't think they deserve a bid based on their season but since they are hosting and usually make the tourney I think their reputation and the fact they will sell tickets may get them in since they are hosting 1st and 2nd rounds.
I can understand having the uneasy feeling about not getting in before the selection show, but I think they deserve to get in.
Remember when the Big East got 9 of 16 team's in the tourney when they were better than the rest of the country? The Big 12 this year is far and away the best conference...it isn't even close.
Finishing .500 and in 4th place is enough to get in as long as the entire non-conference schedule wasn't a cluster.
Remember when the Big East got 9 of 16 team's in the tourney when they were better than the rest of the country? The Big 12 this year is far and away the best conference...it isn't even close.
Finishing .500 and in 4th place is enough to get in as long as the entire non-conference schedule wasn't a cluster.
I think the biggest concern I have is no marquee win above Oklahoma. Had we beat Texas A&M or Penn St. earlier in the year, we would be lock solid. Of course a win today would have solidified it too probably.
Look. I'm not saying UTEP would or should get in ahead of Iowa State. But they've gone 26-3 in a better-than-average conference. Their three losses were by a total of seven points. They haven't had the opportunities to win top 50 games like Iowa State has, but the opportunities they have had (against teams in the second half of the RPI top 100), they've largely cashed in on. UTEP isn't some 26-3 squad that misses the tournament because they played one team with an RPI better than 150 the whole year. There's a few semi-respectable wins there.
Plus, the committee does strange things with mid-majors sometimes -- in both directions. It's just tough to make a comparison between an 18-12 team in the no. 1 RPI conference and a 26-3 team in the no. 11 conference.
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