http://www.press-citizen.com/graphics/Report.pdf
It's 76 pages, but I have read the entire report (the majority of it twice) and it takes less than an hour
Iowa rape case: Mother's allegations researched
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http://www.press-citizen.com/graphics/Report.pdf
It's 76 pages, but I have read the entire report (the majority of it twice) and it takes less than an hour
Then you're 100% wrong. There's enough evidence to know that things were handled horribly by officials at U of I. In fact I can't even take joy in how badly they bungled this because I'm embarassed by how this reflects on the entire state of Iowa. I don't see how a Hawkeye fan could not be embarassed.
You're right. I shouldn't generalize about all Hawk fans and alumni. Only the Iowa fans and alumni who support the University's handling of this incident are horrible people. Is that better?
I guess I don't know anyone personally, that is an Iowa fan, that supports the University's handling of this thing, in total.
Not one.
I don't know an Iowa fan that even knows what went on with even a small level of detail.
Exactly! I would argue that KF should have been more involved since these were his players. I guess by sticking his head in the sand during all of this he has plausible deniability.
No, no. Southern and Jon are right. When the mother's letters came out, they said we should wait for the other-side of the story to come out. For the of u of i to have their opportunity to say their peace. That's what they wanted to do, and rightfully so.
The u of i has now had their say, through various quotes and their participation in interviews and/or the investigation. Nothing that "proves" their case, or "disproves" the what was said by the family. From what I see, it mostly just contradicts.
So both sides have had their say. More accurately, the family made their accusations and the university retorted.
And it has been deemed the university is telling the truth, and the family isn't.
I was referring to the fact a large % of sexual assault cases never go to trial, but if a conspiracy theory suits you have at it.
Yep. My parents in NW Iowa had not heard much about this thing, let alone my sister over by Cedar Rapids. The media silence on this thing for the most part has been deafening.
Luckily, I have been around, doing my part to remind the Hawks that they smell bad.
Jon,
I have read the report. I have also read several newspaper accounts of the conversation that took place at yesterday's BOR meeting. Here is an excerpt from an article in today's Daily Iowan, the U of I newspaper:
"Regent Michale Gartner said he didn't understand how the UI's failure to hand over the documents fell short of a cover-up, but Bryant insisted the situation was a "huge mistake"."
So it seems that it isn't just us cyclone fans who feel there's a cover up. At least one BOR member (and likely others) feel there was a cover up as well. I would contend that any normal person, when given the facts above, would come to the same conclusion. But you're probably right, I'm not going to convince you of this. But tell me, who's really being biased in this situation?
Ok - so far I'm on page 7.
Two things to this point.
"Between October 24 and November 5, the Student-Athlete and her parents
Two things to this point.
"Between October 24 and November 5, the Student-Athlete and her parents
contacted several University officials, including Marcus Mills and Fred Mims, in an
attempt to obtain information regarding the progress of the investigation. During this
period, the Student-Athlete was subjected to harassment and retaliation from members of
the football team, as well as other student-athletes, including physical threats and shouts
of insulting and offensive language. The Student-Athlete reported that the harassment
and retaliatory behavior worsened when she was in situations where large numbers of
student-athletes were present, such as in the Hillcrest Hall dining area and the student athlete
Learning Center."
attempt to obtain information regarding the progress of the investigation. During this
period, the Student-Athlete was subjected to harassment and retaliation from members of
the football team, as well as other student-athletes, including physical threats and shouts
of insulting and offensive language. The Student-Athlete reported that the harassment
and retaliatory behavior worsened when she was in situations where large numbers of
student-athletes were present, such as in the Hillcrest Hall dining area and the student athlete
Learning Center."
Yep - kf went out of his way for this girl. As did gb. I'm sure the excuse will be presented that they probably didn't know about the harassment. :skeptical: It's proven that u of i is incompetent. But am I to believe that these reports were not forwarded to at least gb?
We can now throw out the notion that kf and gb did "all they could".
Now a bit more of a real kick in the pants.
Now a bit more of a real kick in the pants.
"
On or about November 9, Brian Meyer, a DPS officer investigating the case,
informed the Student-Athlete in the presence of her RVAP advocate that Football
Player #2 had likely also had sexual intercourse with her on the morning of October 14.
At that point, Football Player #2 had been living down the hall from the Student-Athlete
in a female student’s room for three weeks."
On or about November 9, Brian Meyer, a DPS officer investigating the case,
informed the Student-Athlete in the presence of her RVAP advocate that Football
Player #2 had likely also had sexual intercourse with her on the morning of October 14.
At that point, Football Player #2 had been living down the hall from the Student-Athlete
in a female student’s room for three weeks."
But earlier...
"At least by October 22, the
Department of Athletics had strong evidence suggesting that, in spite of the Student-
Athlete’s belief that only Football Player #1 was involved in the incident, Football
Player #2 had also participated."
Department of Athletics had strong evidence suggesting that, in spite of the Student-
Athlete’s belief that only Football Player #1 was involved in the incident, Football
Player #2 had also participated."
So the AD knew on Oct 22 that there was a second alleged perp, but no one bothered to notify the victim for another 2-3 weeks.
You stay classy hawks.
I will admit, that Jon is right on this - that the report does substaniate the iowa position that the family agreed to the informal route and does state that the girl was told she could end the informal at any point and press charges. However, I'm thusfar disappointed in the detail - being that only the conclusions are laid out, not how they got to them.
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Just an observation. The committie made a judgement that the University of Iowa did not cover up information requested by the Regents. It was simply a mistake-incompetence. Does anyone actually believe that a dozen lawyers were not involved in the decision on what information to provide? We are asked to believe it was one persons decision not to provide the information, and he didn't know why he didn't provide it. Thus, it doesn't not meet the standard for cover-up. In our hearts, we all know better than this. But it doesn't matter I guess.
Ketel, I think it does matter. In fact, I'm just naive enough to think that the BOR feels there was a cover-up, in spite of what the so-called investigators say. Regent Gartner made it clear yesterday that he felt there was a cover-up and I'll bet you that he isn't the only board member that feels this way. I'm predicting that Regent President David Miles is going to come down harshly on the university for this.
I do not believe the athletic department was involved in any sort of cover up.
As it relates to Marcus Mills and Phillip Jones' actions/inactions, they have some serious explaining to do.
But some CFer's have it all down pat, which gives them the authority on the topic.
Well, we've established that they appear to have covered up the fact to the victim that there was a second football player for approx 2-3 weeks.
Nice. While I think Gartner is wrong on many things, I do believe him to have the best interests of Iowans at heart. I am happy to hear that he is not a rubber stamp. I also don't think he is the sort of person you want to have upset with you. This thing could get very interesting if he gets after things.
The report says that Iowa believed the alleged victim was aware of th second individual, because she had mentioned a second player being in the room during the evening.
As it turned out, those were not the same individual.
If you read the mother's first letter, especially first two pages, it puts a different spin on them and their deciding to go the former route.
From earlier in the thread:
The last quote would also lend support to a cover up if it is in fact true....
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