Of UNI's fifteen straight wins:
1 has been ranked (at home)
only 5 have been in the top 150 rpi
2 of those five have been on the road
ISU 12th in new AP
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Of UNI's fifteen straight wins:
1 has been ranked (at home)
only 5 have been in the top 150 rpi
2 of those five have been on the road
We could take it a step further and just rank all D1 schools by win percentage. That seems to be what the UNI fans are arguing.
You forgot to mention that the ONE ranked team they've beaten, shouldn't probably be ranked.
The teams they are playing are relative to their talent level. It's not like taking Kentucky and dropping them into the MVC.
Just want to make sure I understand this, if you were able to vote for the top 25 teams in the country you would not vote for who you thought were the best 25 teams? Or if you were to seed the NCAA tournament you wouldn't seed by who you thought were the best 25 teams? Can't have both.
I'll grant UNI fans that it can be a fun conversation although a stretch looking at SOS and RPI. WSU should not even be in the top 15 or maybe 20, it is idiotic beyond argument yet they are ranked 11th.
If either team has a legitimate path to being ranked around 10th/11th they need to win out and dominate the other one. At this point I hope one of them does to earn it, I don't think both could possibly prove they deserve to be that high unless both win 2-3 NCAA tournament games against decent teams.
All this "Cinderella" talk needs to end regarding these two. The expectations for these teams now is that they make the Elite 8 or nearly make the Elite 8, anything below that and it's playing below expectations. Cinderella doesn't flirt with the top ten without beating anyone good, overwhelming media favorite does that, not Cinderella.
The UNI team that beat KU was a Cinderella, these WSU and UNI teams are being sold to us as a Goliath, not David.
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You're struggling with this. The AP does not seed the tournament. That is done by a committee. Therefore, they are two separate entities and two separate rankings. You realize when you take the seedings, list them out top to bottom, they aren't the same as the AP's ranking list, right?
The only thing I am struggling with is your logic. I have said 3-4 times now I am talking about what you would do. I understand that the AP does not seed the tournament, that is done by a committee, I am asking you why you would rank UNI ahead of ISU but think ISU is the better team. You keep saying they are independent of each other but your thought on why you would rank UNI higher, than a team you consider better, is not. So quit trying to justify what the voters and the committee will do, you have said that you would vote UNI higher in a ranking but would seed ISU higher in the tournament.
Ah... so this idea that UNI is so good because they are 26-2 and so hot because they have won 15 straight doesn't actually mean they are good at all. They are good based on the complete lack of talent on the teams they have played against in compiling their 26-2 record. Finally... we can agree on something.
So in looking at the "talent" level of the teams around them in the rankings and the talent level that they play against night in and night out we are in agreement that UNI doesn't belong ranked among them. I 100% agree with you. You made an excellent point.
Shhhhhhhhhh.... let him roll with this. He is finally starting to see things our way.
Rank the following teams. This isn't meant to hurt or help my argument. I just want to see how people would "vote" for these teams. Don't cheat, that'll take the fun out of it:
Some of teams are obvious, but I just want to see how things turn out.
Edit: Posted too soon...meant to hit Go Advanced. Give me a minute to get the table set up.
| Team | Wins | Losses | SOS | RPI |
| A | 22 | 5 | 1 | .6861 |
| B | 17 | 10 | 26 | .5728 |
| C | 16 | 12 | 13 | .5770 |
| D | 19 | 8 | 2 | .6273 |
| E | 19 | 8 | 36 | .5977 |
| F | 9 | 17 | 15 | .5048 |
| G | 20 | 6 | 16 | .6356 |
| H | 19 | 7 | 8 | .6251 |
| I | 26 | 2 | 51 | .6127 |
| J | 16 | 11 | 3 | .5769 |
Some of teams are obvious, but I just want to see how things turn out.
Edit: Posted too soon...meant to hit Go Advanced. Give me a minute to get the table set up.
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Do you agree with either/both of the following statements?:
1) The AP does not attempt to rank the BEST 25 teams in the nation including the proper order.
2) In general the AP is POOR at ranking the BEST 25 teams.
I believe that the AP does attempt to rank the best teams in proper order and is not great at it. My take is that Cybyassociation believes the AP doesn't attempt to rank the best teams in proper order. This difference accounts for much of the "difference of opinion" in this thread which is really just a difference in perspective.
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Only that they deserve to be ranked higher than ISU. To bring up your earlier example... that is like saying that had Marshall gone undefeated in football they would have deserved to be ranked up there next to Oregon and Alabama because they won their games regardless of the fact that Marshall didn't play any teams with a pulse. You probably think they would have deserved to be in the college football playoff too.
UNI has yet to prove that they are a good basketball team. Sure... they have proven that they can beat a bunch of relatively talentless Valley teams but what does that mean? It means they are as good or as deserving as teams that have beaten far better competition consistently throughout the season? You and I both know that simply isn't true. The true worth of a team is based on their full resume... who did you beat, where was the game played, how good were your opponents, etc...
So why in the world would you think UNI should be ranked higher than ISU.
Sorry, you've lost this argument. You just aren't making sense anymore. Give it up.
I'd agree with the bolded. Obviously, you've got voters with differences in opinion as to what really matters too.
So the fact that the AP voters are not good at what they do, that means UNI is justified in being ranked higher than ISU? Wut?
Like I said, you've now lost this argument every way possible. Move on.
