so basically a fire tornado. seems awful.I read in one spot that the fire was moving a mile a minute at one point.
so basically a fire tornado. seems awful.I read in one spot that the fire was moving a mile a minute at one point.
Very dry plus 60 mph winds can get out of control really quick.sorry for the dumb question, but how do people get trapped by a wild fire and die? Is the fire that fast moving? I have zero experience with forest fires?
Living in the west, fire can move extremely fast in windstorms like this. It’s a constant threat during the summer time out here. Similar to a flash flood it can be on you in no time. And often times you can suffer from smoke inhalation even if you’re a good distance from the actual fire.sorry for the dumb question, but how do people get trapped by a wild fire and die? Is the fire that fast moving? I have zero experience with forest fires?
Good article here with some places to donate (or what to look for) and strategy behind itLiving in the west, fire can move extremely fast in windstorms like this. It’s a constant threat during the summer time out here. Similar to a flash flood it can be on you in no time. And often times you can suffer from smoke inhalation even if you’re a good distance from the actual fire.
It’s a truly terrifying natural disaster because, unlike other natural disasters where you can at least get some warning, fires can pop up with no warning if power lines are downed, a cigarette butt is thrown out of a car, a little spark from anything gets into foliage, etc.
so basically a fire tornado. seems awful.
sorry for the dumb question, but how do people get trapped by a wild fire and die? Is the fire that fast moving? I have zero experience with forest fires?
We were there in Oct. 2022 and were surprised by how many stores were empty and had not returned from COVID. I'd estimate it was 2/3 of what it was when we were last there in 1997.Have thought that as well. Reminds me quite a bit of Southern California.
Also, seeing that Paris Hilton is being dogged for vacationing in Maui now. It’s a pretty tough/tricky deal. I get the resource issue, but honestly I spoke with one guy today that is pretty scared of the tourists not being in Maui. He said they barely made it through Covid, and it will be bad if they wait to restore Lahaina to reopen for business. Some sort of thoughtful tourism seems necessary to avoid making this an even more catastrophic loss for the entire island.
I'm sure they will. As you say, it not have the same charm.I'm sure Lahaina will rebuild...there will be some huge insurance checks being cut. But man, it's going to lose so much of its character. Never thought I'd see Lahaina being gentrified, but that's what's coming. I'm guessing that we see some pretty fast-moving construction, because they can't afford to let the town sit vacant for a year. They need to have things up and going by winter.
The fire itself moves fast when there are 40 - 60 mph winds. In addition, that wind picks up large embers and pushes them ahead of the "front," so small fires start far ahead of the main fire. You can be fully encircled quickly.sorry for the dumb question, but how do people get trapped by a wild fire and die? Is the fire that fast moving? I have zero experience with forest fires?
I have not heard that yet. I mean, the children not being in school yes, but not them being alone and making up a large number of the missing. I mostly hear about older people. I hope that’s not true…and they do really love their kids here, so I think I would have heard if that was a major concern.There's some information going around on twitter given how many are missing, that children were sent home from school (canceled) due to the winds and so some children were at home while their parents were at work? Given that instance, that many didn't know what to do so they didn't make it. If true, that is one devastating and awful ordeal. I can't imagine walking through that rubble.
Our snorkeling instructor last Thursday said that it's normal for Maui to have more visitors than residents on any given day. If they don't have tourism, they will struggle. Imagine if ISU just picked up and left Ames all in one day.Have thought that as well. Reminds me quite a bit of Southern California.
Also, seeing that Paris Hilton is being dogged for vacationing in Maui now. It’s a pretty tough/tricky deal. I get the resource issue, but honestly I spoke with one guy today that is pretty scared of the tourists not being in Maui. He said they barely made it through Covid, and it will be bad if they wait to restore Lahaina to reopen for business. Some sort of thoughtful tourism seems necessary to avoid making this an even more catastrophic loss for the entire island.
Wind fueled grass fires move faster than forest fires. And the fire was basically driving seaward - no place to run to.sorry for the dumb question, but how do people get trapped by a wild fire and die? Is the fire that fast moving? I have zero experience with forest fires?
There was one man interviewed by NBC who had been at home with his four or five children. He grabbed his children and at least that many children from a neighboring house (parents were at work) and got them all to safety. He was sitting in what looked like a hotel room with eight or nine young children surrounding him. I didn't hear them mention in the interview whether or not his wife or the neighbors survived.I have not heard that yet. I mean, the children not being in school yes, but not them being alone and making up a large number of the missing. I mostly hear about older people. I hope that’s not true…and they do really love their kids here, so I think I would have heard if that was a major concern.