Long term implications

[t-noah]

Mike Rose was a legit 1st team All-American. His play his sophomore year and junior year was as good as any LB in America. Its a shame his body got destroyed. He was at another level even compared to Jake Knott, Dobbins, Blair or whoever else you throw in there.

It's great we can discuss great players! Wish we could do it more!

Both were great, and Blair did play quite a long time ago. I was very young. I remember him as being pretty awesome though. And he had a long and storied NFL career. To bad his body (brain) was also destroyed over time.

 

[CyCrazy]

Could you list the players on offense that would be 100% surefire starters at any other Big 12 team?

Brahmer and Norton too if he had a line to run behind. Thats probably it.

 

[67CY]

that's not what we're worried about......we have almost zero offensive talent other than our qb's. Now, even with our current talent, there's no reason the offense should be as bad as it currently is.

Our scheme and OL is a major factor in why we suck right now.

I wonder if the OL would do better if the defense didn’t have a good idea of the play was going to be.

 

[cmhawks99]

Still weren't as good as the first 3. Mike Rose was the best LB in ISU history.

I don’t know, AJ Klein was a hell of an Lber and played many productive years in the NFL. I can’t remember the name of the other kid that played at the same time, who honestly had even better college numbers, but flamed out in the pros.

And I would’ve been pretty young then, but if memory serves Dennis Gibson played in the late 70s/80s for Iowa State, and was pretty good to…

Alvin Bowen was also a really good linebacker so was Tim Dobbins… Probably not quite on the level of the others but Bowen also spent several years in the NFL from team to team

 

[deadeyededric]

I don’t know, AJ Klein was a hell of an Lber and played many productive years in the NFL. I can’t remember the name of the other kid that played at the same time, who honestly had even better college numbers, but flamed out in the pros.

And I would’ve been pretty young then, but if memory serves Dennis Gibson played in the late 70s/80s for Iowa State, and was pretty good to…

Alvin Bowen was also a really good linebacker so was Tim Dobbins… Probably not quite on the level of the others but Bowen also spent several years in the NFL from team to team

I'm only talking performance in college. If we're going by pro careers AJ Klein was a better LBer than Brian Bosworth.

 

[cmhawks99]

that's not what we're worried about......we have almost zero offensive talent other than our qb's. Now, even with our current talent, there's no reason the offense should be as bad as it currently is.

Our scheme and OL is a major factor in why we suck right now.

Meh…I you have st least 2 Rbers I like a lot especially the freshman from Iowa?! Where’d he play high school Sama. ?

And your TEs have some skill.

 

[cmhawks99]

I'm only talking performance in college. If we're going by pro careers AJ Klein was a better LBer than Brian Bosworth

Yes, I get the concept, thanks…DOH!!

But Knott, (thanks for reminding me) and Klein were fantastic LBers at the same time and if memory serves Klein ran a 4.66, extremely fast at his size (yet there were questions about his athleticism LOL) and was code. Defensive player of the year is junior year and all big 12 his senior year… Maybe Rose had those accolades I honestly can’t remember…..

 

[cmhawks99]

They’re a top 5 talented defense in the conference. Name me other schools in the big 12 with more talent on defense

Top 5?! Now I get there’s a difference between talent as in future, NFL players and team defense?! But who are the four other teams that have better defensive talent right now?

 

[Cyhig]

Top 5?! Now I get there’s a difference between talent as in future, NFL players and team defense?! But who are the four other teams that have better defensive talent right now?

Texas has more talent for sure. Of course, they are notorious for doing less with more talent!

I was being conservative when I said top 5.

 

[isufanz1]

Still weren't as good as the first 3. Mike Rose was the best LB in ISU history.

Matt Blair says hold my beer….

 

[cmhawks99]

Texas has more talent for sure. Of course, they are notorious for doing less with more talent!

I was being conservative when I said top 5.

Right, and yes they recruit well by rankings, but they have 29 players in the NFL, which is a solid number, but not like the B1G boys!

14 of them defenders.

I’d wager OU under Venables will eventually play better D. But you want to hear an amazing stat. They have 33 current NFL players, but only 9 from the defensive side…

 

[Cyhig]

Right, and yes they recruit well by rankings, but they have 29 players in the NFL, which is a solid number, but not like the B1G boys!

14 of them defenders.

I’d wager OU under Venables will eventually play better D. But you want to hear an amazing stat. They have 33 current NFL players, but only 9 from the defensive side…

And I think Texas only has 1 player drafted in the first round since 2016…. For any position

 

[cmhawks99]

And I think Texas only has 1 player drafted in the first round since 2016…. For any position

Wow!! Did NOT know that?

 

[t-noah]

Matt Blair says hold my beer….

They have beer in heaven, right?

 

[isufanz1]

They have beer in heaven, right?

There better be beer in heaven. Always been told the barley soda was God’s gift to man.

 

[Stewo]

I see @CyDude16 went on a bender.

 

[CyDude16]

I see @CyDude16 went on a bender.

Actually just had some entertainment reading through some old awful takes.

 

[Stewo]

Actually just had some entertainment reading through some old awful takes.

But felt the need to make it known to others.

Listen, most everyone was greatly concerned at the time this thread started. But, I understand it's important for some people to pull receipts for absolutely no reason. It's weird, especially when people are simply voicing their concern on a forum where opinions are supposed to be voiced.

 

[CyDude16]

But felt the need to make it known to others.

Listen, most everyone was greatly concerned at the time this thread started. But, I understand it's important for some people to pull receipts for absolutely no reason. It's weird, especially when people are simply voicing their concern on a forum where opinions are supposed to be voiced.

There’s a difference in voicing concerns, and just downright asinine takes. In September.

 

[Stewo]

There’s a difference in voicing concerns, and just downright asinine takes. In September.

Sure there is, but honestly, who cares? Why do you need the attention?