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Why?? I don’t follow off-season baseball but this seems like he’s just trying to make issues where there aren’t any. They talk about Arrieta but he really struggled last year. Why should he just be assumed to get a big deal.
 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...lb-offseason-maybe-we-need-strike/1073050001/

Wondering how far the clubs are willing to go with this. Either way, not a great look for the MLB right now.

There isn't and over-inflated market for free agents and GMs are showing restraint in creating one, SO STRIKE. And players wonder why they get hate from fans when they sign enormous contracts and don't produce. Sheesh.

Personally I love that there are so many unsigned FA. Maybe we shouldn't have a record contract signed every year.
 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...lb-offseason-maybe-we-need-strike/1073050001/

Wondering how far the clubs are willing to go with this. Either way, not a great look for the MLB right now.

What's not a good look? Stopped the insanity of paying guys for 10 year contracts when they are in their 30's for seasons they had when they were in their 20's? Teams are looking at the luxury tax level as a real cap. Throwing out $100M contracts left and right just is not a sustainable model even for the richest of the teams. A lot of burnt teams still paying players who are not even playing. This has been coming for some time.

Interesting that maybe one guy who read the market correctly was Tanaka. He didn't opt out and take a run at the free agent market for a shot at even bigger money. Turns out he would probably be sitting there unsigned along with the other pitchers wanting stupid money like clubs were tossing out in the past.

It's going to be very interesting once spring training starts and all of these guy with their super agents are sitting outside looking in. Will they blink or sit the season out? Don't think they are going to get a lot of support from the young guys making $500k (which is still a lot of ******* money).
 

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What's not a good look? Stopped the insanity of paying guys for 10 year contracts when they are in their 30's for seasons they had when they were in their 20's? Teams are looking at the luxury tax level as a real cap. Throwing out $100M contracts left and right just is not a sustainable model even for the richest of the teams. A lot of burnt teams still paying players who are not even playing. This has been coming for some time.

Interesting that maybe one guy who read the market correctly was Tanaka. He didn't opt out and take a run at the free agent market for a shot at even bigger money. Turns out he would probably be sitting there unsigned along with the other pitchers wanting stupid money like clubs were tossing out in the past.

It's going to be very interesting once spring training starts and all of these guy with their super agents are sitting outside looking in. Will they blink or sit the season out? Don't think they are going to get a lot of support from the young guys making $500k (which is still a lot of ******* money).

Especially pitchers, who are getting $800K/start...win or lose.
 
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I am not on the side of the players, but it is a problem for MLB that 10-15 teams have decided to go into tank mode and will not participate in FA signings. The Astros traded off their best players for prospects, and lost over a 100 games three years in a row and got #1 picks for three straight years. It is not feasible for a dozen teams to try and follow this approach.
 

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I am not on the side of the players, but it is a problem for MLB that 10-15 teams have decided to go into tank mode and will not participate in FA signings. The Astros traded off their best players for prospects, and lost over a 100 games three years in a row and got #1 picks for three straight years. It is not feasible for a dozen teams to try and follow this approach.

That's a good point, I was thinking more about the teams that were trying to win and avoid the luxury tax. That tax was SUPPOSED to keep the rich teams from just buying a pennant but then the "lose biggly to win later" model of the Cubs and Astro came into play and now all of these other teams think it will work for them but they were too late and that boat is overloaded and sinking.
 
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Yay, just what baseball needs to get fans watching the games, another strike.

I'm actually glad that GMs aren't artificially inflating the market by over paying for free agents. Maybe they will learn not to give guys stupid contracts.

And how would a strike "help" the situation? You're all going to sit out until they start overpaying every year?
 

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I am not on the side of the players, but it is a problem for MLB that 10-15 teams have decided to go into tank mode and will not participate in FA signings. The Astros traded off their best players for prospects, and lost over a 100 games three years in a row and got #1 picks for three straight years. It is not feasible for a dozen teams to try and follow this approach.

The only thing with MLB tanking is that MLB draft picks are far from guaranteed to be good players. The Cubs sucked and got high draft picks for years without them ever making an impact on the big club. You have to have a good system, front office, and good scouts to make it work. There are still plenty of teams willing to pay for wins too.
 
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I saw that MLB revenue is closer to the NFL on average than the NBA is to MLB.

So MLB is a big dog. Getting bigger.

One of the things with the MLB is that they have to support multiple levels of farm clubs. So each club has a LOT of contracts on their books. The NFL doesn't have that issue.
 

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What everyone is missing is the free agent market next year, which Kershaw could be part of. It's set to be the biggest spending market in history with Machado, Harper, Kershaw, Donaldson, & Blackmon at the top of the list.

Teams aren't spending this year, and are trying to get under the cap, so they can afford the contracts next year's crop is going to bring.
 

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The whole free agent issue stems from the way rookie contracts are structured.

A guy is drafted out of college or high school, the club has 5 years to call the player up to the Majors. At that point the player is on a 6 year contract, receiving the league minimum ($535k in 2017) for 3 years, and then they allowed to file for arbitration with their club. At this point each party submits what they feel is a reasonable salary for the coming season, and third party selects which of the two offers is better.

For each year of their remaining contract the player has to file for arbitration. What this amounts to is players being paid the minimum for 3 years and a competitive market salary for 3 years. Only then are they able to go to negotiate a new contract with their club or as free agent. At this point, most the players are in their mid to late 20s, at the peak of their career and trying to get contracts based on current performance, not potential.

But what this has done is incentive teams to off-load the large contracts that veterans and superstars have been receiving over the years in favor of young prospects. Teams like the Cubs and Astros have proven that building through the minor leagues can win pennants, so why open up the pocketbook and pay for a veteran, when you can trade for a bunch of minor league kids, suck for a few years, and try to capitalize on potential all at once.

If players were able to negotiate new contracts after 4 or 5 years, or enter arbitration after 2 years (kind of exists already with the Super 2 rule), that would help force GMs to stop relying so heavily on stockpiling the minor leagues. At the same time, there needs to be a concession in how free agent contracts are structured, so we see fewer of these 6+ year contracts that go beyond a players peak years.
 

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The whole free agent issue stems from the way rookie contracts are structured.

A guy is drafted out of college or high school, the club has 5 years to call the player up to the Majors. At that point the player is on a 6 year contract, receiving the league minimum ($535k in 2017) for 3 years, and then they allowed to file for arbitration with their club. At this point each party submits what they feel is a reasonable salary for the coming season, and third party selects which of the two offers is better.

For each year of their remaining contract the player has to file for arbitration. What this amounts to is players being paid the minimum for 3 years and a competitive market salary for 3 years. Only then are they able to go to negotiate a new contract with their club or as free agent. At this point, most the players are in their mid to late 20s, at the peak of their career and trying to get contracts based on current performance, not potential.

But what this has done is incentive teams to off-load the large contracts that veterans and superstars have been receiving over the years in favor of young prospects. Teams like the Cubs and Astros have proven that building through the minor leagues can win pennants, so why open up the pocketbook and pay for a veteran, when you can trade for a bunch of minor league kids, suck for a few years, and try to capitalize on potential all at once.

If players were able to negotiate new contracts after 4 or 5 years, or enter arbitration after 2 years (kind of exists already with the Super 2 rule), that would help force GMs to stop relying so heavily on stockpiling the minor leagues. At the same time, there needs to be a concession in how free agent contracts are structured, so we see fewer of these 6+ year contracts that go beyond a players peak years.
Do you think a salary cap would help? Right now there is so much separation between the teams with money and the teams without, that the latter simply can’t afford FAs.
 

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A players strike would not only hurt the game in general because fans are fed up with overpaid millionaires wanting even more but the players need to be careful because they would essentially damage the revenue sources their owners need to pay them in the first place. When attendance goes down and sponsorship money declines it's not going to help their cause of wanting to get paid more when owners don't have the money they were counting on. It's already expensive as hell to go to games, increasing prices even more after a strike is only going to hurt the game more.

And ditto about Boras, the guy has run up and inflated prices on players for years. It's great to finally see owners stick it to him by not overpaying and offering up long term deals to guys in their 30's that are either on the decline or have some risk factors with them just because they are big names. I loved Arietta with the Cubs but no way in hell would I got more than 3-4 years at a reasonable price on him after seeing his struggles and loss in velocity. Some of these guys may have been better off taking their 1 year tender and proving it this season to get a bigger payday like Dexter Fowler did the other year. He actually lost money declining the tender offer but after how he played last year he at least cashed in at the right time by playing on the 1 year deal that he did in 2016.
 
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As a Brewers fan I personally love this frozen FA off season created by the luxury tax and Owners wising up. It has allowed the Crew to actually compete for top FA and put together a pretty good roster. As Lo Cain said, “it’s cold out there in free agency”.