Realignment and the fate of State hoops

[LutherClone]

We've hashed, rehashed and mashed the outcome for football and the university in general. I did a quick check and couldn't find any threads on basketball. I think that of all our sports, men's basketball would have the best shot at staying relavent. We'd likely compete in a lesser conference, but "mid majors" can be powerful. Just ask Butler. However, I don't think we'd be a "mid major." If we're in a conference with KU, I think we would pioneer a new catagory of ______ major. Thoughts on the survival of State hoops?

 

[everyyard]

We've hashed, rehashed and mashed the outcome for football and the university in general. I did a quick check and couldn't find any threads on basketball. I think that of all our sports, men's basketball would have the best shot at staying relavent. We'd likely compete in a lesser conference, but "mid majors" can be powerful. Just ask Butler. However, I don't think we'd be a "mid major." If we're in a conference with KU, I think we would pioneer a new catagory of ______ major. Thoughts on the survival of State hoops?

mid major.

 

[Tornado man]

Agree - we'll be a mid-major basketball school. Both men's and women's.

 

[Spam]

KU in a mid major conference wouldn't be that different than Memphis in Conference USA. Memphis' presence certainly doesn't make Conference USA a non mid major

 

[LutherClone]

KU in a mid major conference wouldn't be that different than Memphis in Conference USA. Memphis' presence certainly doesn't make Conference USA a non mid major

good point, didn't think about that.

 

[everyyard]

KU in a mid major conference wouldn't be that different than Memphis in Conference USA. Memphis' presence certainly doesn't make Conference USA a non mid major

now that calipari is gone memphis will soon be seen as a midmajor again.

 

[CUIClone]

As long as KU is in the conference ISU will be fine. I don't buy the Memphis comparison. Just because Coach Cal cheated there for a few years doesn't make them a basketball power. KU is a top 5 program all time.

 

[PGreen ISU '92]

That's what I love about college basketball. Does it really matter whether you are in the Big Ten, Atlantic Ten, Missouri Valley, West Coast Conference, etc.? Everybody has a shot to win it all. Go Cyclones!!!

 

[CylentButDeadly]

If there's a major shakedown and we're left scrambling, I'd like to see a conference made up of some other left overs.

ISU/KU/KSU from the B12, and then why not Memphis, Cincy, possibly Louisville and then some schools like Houston, TCU, potentially Baylor or Colorado, and if you need fillers, and you can always go after Tulsa, SMU, Northern Ill, Toledo and other schools from CUSA and/or the MAC.

Farfetched, maybe, but that's still a very good basketball conference and a respectable, though average football conference.

 

[brokenloginagain]

now that calipari is gone memphis will soon be seen as a midmajor again.

not with the way pastner recruits.

memphis, gonzaga, butler, xavier all have great programs/fan support/wins. we could do that too. heck, our schedule may actually improve non-conference since all the big guys in the b12 take our slot for maui, pre season nit, etc.

 

[heitclone]

If there's a major shakedown and we're left scrambling, I'd like to see a conference made up of some other left overs.

ISU/KU/KSU from the B12, and then why not Memphis, Cincy, possibly Louisville and then some schools like Houston, TCU, potentially Baylor or Colorado, and if you need fillers, and you can always go after Tulsa, SMU, Northern Ill, Toledo and other schools from CUSA and/or the MAC.

Farfetched, maybe, but that's still a very good basketball conference and a respectable, though average football conference.

I like this way of thinking, I'd also like to see us poach Marquette and DePaul if the big east is dismantled

 

[Cydkar]

That's what I love about college basketball. Does it really matter whether you are in the Big Ten, Atlantic Ten, Missouri Valley, West Coast Conference, etc.? Everybody has a shot to win it all. Go Cyclones!!!

It matters.

 

[Clonehomer]

If the remaining Big12 adds the select MWC teams discussed, then it won't be a mid-major. Granted, it won't be as strong as the Pac10, ACC, or Big East, but it could be on par with conferences like the SEC. Kansas, Kansas State, New Mexico, Utah, Baylor, and ISU when Hoiberg fixes our program will make for a pretty decent conference. The only issue is that it may be a little more top heavy than the Big12 that we're used to. That makes for an easier conference season, but it will still get the respect from the NCAA when it matters.

 

[CylentButDeadly]

I like this way of thinking, I'd also like to see us poach Marquette and DePaul if the big east is dismantled

Totally agree. Find a way to make a conference at least respectable in football, and then load up on basketball schools just the way the Big East has.

 

[CycloneBBallMan]

now that calipari is gone memphis will soon be seen as a midmajor again.

I suggest you look at their recruiting classes before saying that..

 

[RandomFan]

not with the way pastner recruits.

Yup. Number 1 incoming class next year and it really isn't close. He does still need to prove he can coach, or that recruiting could slip. But right now, there isn't a better recruiter out there.

 

[Cyforce]

Lots of Big time BB programs in the Big East at schools that don't have D-1
football programs. Notre Dame football has a National TV deal and their BB
program has largely been irrelevant for 30 years. I think ISU's success in BB
will be determined largely buy what happens at ISU.

 

[acgclone]

I agree that you can still be a very good Bball school outside of the BCS football leagues.

There is no reason that Hilton can't/won't be packed if we start winning games again. We may have to be a little more creative in our OOC scheduling, if we are in a weak conference, but if KU/K-state are along with us, we'll be solid.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

We've hashed, rehashed and mashed the outcome for football and the university in general. I did a quick check and couldn't find any threads on basketball. I think that of all our sports, men's basketball would have the best shot at staying relavent. We'd likely compete in a lesser conference, but "mid majors" can be powerful. Just ask Butler. However, I don't think we'd be a "mid major." If we're in a conference with KU, I think we would pioneer a new catagory of ______ major. Thoughts on the survival of State hoops?

More importantly think what a move to say the MWC would do to BF and the women's program? It would be a program killer going from the top basketball conference in the nation to a mid major.

 

[Tornado man]

More importantly think what a move to say the MWC would do to BF and the women's program? It would be a program killer going from the top basketball conference in the nation to a mid major.

Agree - and there is no coach in our athletic dept. who emphasizes playing in the Big 12 in recruiting more than Fennelly. All of our top rivals - Okla., Texas, Nebraska, Texas A&M - will be gone.
We lose $1.7 mil a year on women's bb, and even created a new job so Bill's son Billy could work here. We will no longer be able to absorb that kind of a financial loss. We will become Wisc.-Green Bay.