Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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My summer tradition since I moved to LA is driving all up and down the coast and mountain regions backpacking and camping every summer/fall.
It's really driven home to me how crazy distant the Pac always was compared to every other major conference.
When I was driving around Eugene or Seattle last summer it was still a loooooooong ways back to LA and it did have me thinking I could have driven home to Iowa from LA in about the same time. Driving through rural eastern Washington...WSU is easily the most remote school in any major conference. I drove from LA to SLC/Provo last month...I did it in one day but it killed an ENTIRE summer day mostly eating out of my car. Utah/AZ/ASU were never close to other Pac schools either, they're going to have similar geography in Big 12 and better geography than new Big Ten has.
In a way, Big 12 is most stable conference right now. You have elite teams and the Big 12 is their only option. Can’t say that about the Big 10, ACC or SEC. Money can’t buy you love.
I suppose I should explain (again) why I'm willing to be more lenient about ASU than I am about UU: It's all about AZ.
Unlike in the past with how OBOR treated OSU, how KBOR was going to treat K-State, and apparently how OBOR and WBOR are going to treat OSU and WSU respectively, ABOR is being an absolute obstacle for AZ leaving for the Big 12.
If AZ can actually convince the ABOR to agree and AZ can get to the Big 12 on its own, then I'm more than fine with the Big 12 staying at 14 and making ASU sweat. The problem is I'm not convinced that's the case, and I don't want AZ punished when the deal is all but done and the only hold up is ABOR approval - especially when everyone at AZ has been waiting for this day for a very long time, apparently even before USCLA jumped to the Big 10. IMO I want AZ in the Big 12 at just about any cost at this point, even if it means turning a blind eye to ASU's snobbery up until the last week.
Unlike in the past with how OBOR treated OSU, how KBOR was going to treat K-State, and apparently how OBOR and WBOR are going to treat OSU and WSU respectively, ABOR is being an absolute obstacle for AZ leaving for the Big 12.
If AZ can actually convince the ABOR to agree and AZ can get to the Big 12 on its own, then I'm more than fine with the Big 12 staying at 14 and making ASU sweat. The problem is I'm not convinced that's the case, and I don't want AZ punished when the deal is all but done and the only hold up is ABOR approval - especially when everyone at AZ has been waiting for this day for a very long time, apparently even before USCLA jumped to the Big 10. IMO I want AZ in the Big 12 at just about any cost at this point, even if it means turning a blind eye to ASU's snobbery up until the last week.
I guess I still haven't seen the AZ BOR decision yet. Until then F5.
Exactly...they have these certain cash cows and they added another in USC, but the SEC only has one or maybe two "dead weight" programs like that and I don't see them adding any new ones the way some Big Ten people have eyes for Stanford/Cal.
Who has added more per capita lately?
SEC: Texas/OU/A&M/Missouri
Big Ten: Nebraska/Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA
Slight edge to SEC, put Stanford/Cal in the Big Ten column and the SEC has really outpaced them per program.
What I heard from AZ source the day CU rumor exploded, before the crap streaming deal even came out:
- AZ is definitely coming to Big 12, every power broker involved with school/AD is demanding it
- They'd wanted better basketball conference going years back, not just when USC/UCLA left
- It won't be as fast as CU, it'll be in august
- They have some red tape
We've seen all that and are in the "red tape" moments.
I felt a condition of Colorado coming back should have been Ralphie having to wear the Cone of Shame for at least a season or two....
Big organizations always need hype guys in the media, and he’s one of the best.
Yeah, I say I'm good with Arizona because they have expressed interest for a long time and have been in talks awhile. The back and forth was likely to just see what was there and try and work through the hoops (ABOR). It does seem like their majority of their fanbase wants out of the PAC and into the Big 12. I'm good with that.
But, ASU and UU I have mixed feelings on. They have talked down about the big 12 and I wonder if BY will delay the life raft or look at other options. A reduced share would be a better option because they have none now other than MWC. I'm not surprised ASU and UU are acting this way.
I wonder what will transpire in the near future with the ACC versus how long of a timeline that'll take to blow up. As others have said Pitt and NC State make sense there. Even VT or Duke. Basketball would be an even bigger gauntlet.
I was trying so hard to play catchup on this site in this thread lol. I'd be 10-20 pages behind in no time. What a crazy mess. I'm ready for it to be done and I'm good with welcoming Arizona. The only way I'd want Utah in is at a reduced share and for them to be the conference punching bag. After their twitter presence and cocky attitude, I think the rest of the conference would band together in making them the most hated team (from Texas to Utah) in the conference.
But, ASU and UU I have mixed feelings on. They have talked down about the big 12 and I wonder if BY will delay the life raft or look at other options. A reduced share would be a better option because they have none now other than MWC. I'm not surprised ASU and UU are acting this way.
I wonder what will transpire in the near future with the ACC versus how long of a timeline that'll take to blow up. As others have said Pitt and NC State make sense there. Even VT or Duke. Basketball would be an even bigger gauntlet.
I was trying so hard to play catchup on this site in this thread lol. I'd be 10-20 pages behind in no time. What a crazy mess. I'm ready for it to be done and I'm good with welcoming Arizona. The only way I'd want Utah in is at a reduced share and for them to be the conference punching bag. After their twitter presence and cocky attitude, I think the rest of the conference would band together in making them the most hated team (from Texas to Utah) in the conference.
We don't have any Vanderbilts or Rutgers or NWs getting subsidized by a Texas or Ohio State sized program.
After the ACC breaks up that's the next round of conference instability within SEC and Big Ten.
If nothing else the memes resulting from today are worth the emotions.
I want Oregon State and Washington state only because they are the Iowa State of the PAC.
been doing actual work for the last hour plus. did i miss anything? is Arizona a done deal?
