Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[SEIOWA CLONE]

LOL, the NBA and NFL are currently or will be streaming to their extreme financial benefit. And without any regular season content, Amazon and Apple weren't going to bid on the CFP extension.

Mission accomplished by ESPN and Fox and their puppets.

And you are forgetting ESPN owns the SEC rights through the mid 2030s and Fox has the B10 by the balls with their BTN deal even longer than that. And it is not widely known the Fox/BTN owns 100% of the B10 rights for an underdetermined period of time. The B10's deals with NBC and CBS are essentially sublicensing deals via BTN.

FOX also now owns a controlling interest in BTN, the idea that they are going to allow the B10 to leave is fantasy talk from a big 10 homer.

Insider: Fox, Big Ten made a big bet on TV future; it paid off Thursday

Insider on the big bet that paid off for the Big Ten and Fox with new TV rights deal.

www.indystar.com

 

[FriendlySpartan]

FOX also now owns a controlling interest in BTN, the idea that they are going to allow the B10 to leave is fantasy talk from a big 10 homer.

Insider: Fox, Big Ten made a big bet on TV future; it paid off Thursday

Insider on the big bet that paid off for the Big Ten and Fox with new TV rights deal.

www.indystar.com

Oh no, they own the majority of the BTN! They have the conference forever! Hahaha what a joke. Big ten can leave at the next media deal if they want. If streaming gains ground then poof they are gone. That’s like saying Verizon owns Apple. One has the actual product the other just handles distribution/service.

 

[cykadelic2]

Maybe. But IMO you are making a lot of assumptions- creating the shooter on the grassy knoll.

FOX has a different business model than Disney. They are the least aggressive sport media rights company in pursuing streaming. They aren't all in on CFB. They have always been willing to play 3rd fiddle. Their relationship with the Big10 isn't about being a "worldwide leader in sport". It's about maximizing profit at minimal investment. After all, they invited CBS to fill the 3pm window and NBC the 7pm window with Big10 games.

There were absolutely no assumptions with what I posted. Fox proclaims they are going all in on the CFP and then don't even submit a bid a month or two later? Then it turns out ESPN got the sublicensing option. If ESPN doesn't grant Fox that option, everyone will be shocked.

Yeah, Fox does have a different model than Disney. But the fact remains BTN is the sole holder of B10 rights (with sublicensing rights to NBC and CBS) and is the primary cash cow and manipulator on behalf of B10 schools. They were at the negotiating table with Warren for the new B10 deals and manipulated the process to their benefit including keeping Amazon out.

 

[cykadelic2]

Oh no, they own the majority of the BTN! They have the conference forever! Hahaha what a joke. Big ten can leave at the next media deal if they want. If streaming gains ground then poof they are gone. That’s like saying Verizon owns Apple. One has the actual product the other just handles distribution/service.

If you can find the expiration date of BTN's rights to the B10, you might have a point to make here. Even SBJ couldn't determine that date in their reporting.

You need come to grips that Petitti is truly Fox's puppet.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Oh no, they own the majority of the BTN! They have the conference forever! Hahaha what a joke. Big ten can leave at the next media deal if they want. If streaming gains ground then poof they are gone. That’s like saying Verizon owns Apple. One has the actual product the other just handles distribution/service.

Its the distribution/services part that is paying the bill here. The B10 is in bed with FOX, they might sell some of their streaming services to Amazon or someone else in the future but FOX owning 61% of BTN is going to have a very large say in what happens and who gets those broadcasts. Do you really believe that the B10 was the one's telling FOX we are going to also sell to NBC and CBS instead of just FOX and you have no say?

FOX is running the B10, just like ESPN is running the SEC and both conferences are going to do what they are told by the network.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If you can find the expiration date of BTN's rights to the B10, you might have a point to make here. Even SBJ couldn't determine that date in their reporting.

You need come to grips that Petitti is truly Fox's puppet.

Because the BTN doesn’t own the rights bud, the conference does. That’s why the conference can Fox whenever they want. Right now they want to avoid streaming so partnering with only OTA networks makes sense. If they want to go a different direction they are more then welcome to.

But good try

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Its the distribution/services part that is paying the bill here. The B10 is in bed with FOX, they might sell some of their streaming services to Amazon or someone else in the future but FOX owning 61% of BTN is going to have a very large say in what happens and who gets those broadcasts. Do you really believe that the B10 was the one's telling FOX we are going to also sell to NBC and CBS instead of just FOX and you have no say?

FOX is running the B10, just like ESPN is running the SEC and both conferences are going to do what they are told by the network.

You realize the BTN only plays the afterthought games and non revenue sports right?

If the big ten wants to next media deal they could sell all the rights they want to to Amazon or Apple. The SEC could do the same.

 

[cykadelic2]

Their contract is already public record, the information can just get FOIAed because they are public institutions. That’s why everyone in the know has been saying the GOR is ironclad.

You realize that the SEC rights are up again before the ACC right? ESPN would be paying more for significantly less, that’s just horrible business. I get that it doesn’t fit into your back room crazy conspiracy theories but that’s reality

LOL, ESPN extended their all in SEC deal through 2035. ESPN can get out of their ACC deal in 2027. They will drop the ACC at that time and pick who they want from the ACC and let schools like BC and Cuse get destroyed like ORSt and Wazzu. They will also manipulate schools like NC State to the B12 where they can pay half of their payouts with Fox in the B12's deal with both.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Because the BTN doesn’t own the rights bud, the conference does. That’s why the conference can Fox whenever they want. Right now they want to avoid streaming so partnering with only OTA networks makes sense. If they want to go a different direction they are more then welcome to.

But good try

This says otherwise. Holding ALL HOME games rights sure sounds like BTN which is owned 61% by FOX is in control to me.

Big Ten Network holds national broadcast rights to all of the conference's home football games and televises approximately 35-40 football games each season. Each team is guaranteed to appear a minimum of two times annually on the network, one of which must be a conference game.

Big Ten Network - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FriendlySpartan]

LOL, ESPN extended their all in SEC deal through 2035. ESPN can get out of their ACC deal in 2027. They will drop the ACC at that time and pick who they want from the ACC and let schools like BC and Cuse get destroyed like ORSt and Wazzu. They will also manipulate schools like NC State to the B12 where they can pay half of their payouts with Fox in the B12's deal with both.

Brilliant business right here, pay more for less. Hope you don’t own your own company my man

 

[cykadelic2]

Because the BTN doesn’t own the rights bud, the conference does. That’s why the conference can Fox whenever they want. Right now they want to avoid streaming so partnering with only OTA networks makes sense. If they want to go a different direction they are more then welcome to.

But good try

You need to carefully read this article again.

"The presence of Silverman and Jones (from Fox) in these negotiations is part of a deal Fox Sports cut with the Big Ten when the previous rights agreements were signed in 2017.

The earlier deal gave Big Ten Network control of the media rights to the Big Ten conference for an undetermined period of time. Silverman, who ran Big Ten Network back in 2017, was part of the negotiations with ESPN as a BTN rep back then.

This year, Silverman and Jones are taking part in these talks as designated representatives of BTN, the channel in which Fox Sports is a majority owner and the entity that controls the Big Ten rights.

Essentially, the two Fox Sports executives are acting as both designated BTN representatives and media consultants, which is one reason why the Big Ten did not hire a media consultant to help it through these negotiations."

This clearly shows Warren/Petitti as Fox puppets and B10 Presidents as their willing shills.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You need to carefully read this article again.

"The presence of Silverman and Jones (from Fox) in these negotiations is part of a deal Fox Sports cut with the Big Ten when the previous rights agreements were signed in 2017.

The earlier deal gave Big Ten Network control of the media rights to the Big Ten conference for an undetermined period of time. Silverman, who ran Big Ten Network back in 2017, was part of the negotiations with ESPN as a BTN rep back then.

This year, Silverman and Jones are taking part in these talks as designated representatives of BTN, the channel in which Fox Sports is a majority owner and the entity that controls the Big Ten rights.

Essentially, the two Fox Sports executives are acting as both designated BTN representatives and media consultants, which is one reason why the Big Ten did not hire a media consultant to help it through these negotiations."

This clearly shows Warren/Petitti as Fox puppets and B10 Presidents as their willing shills.

Totally agree they handled the negotiations this time around or at the very least were very heavily involved. Not gonna get any push back from me there.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Totally agree they handled the negotiations this time around or at the very least were very heavily involved. Not gonna get any push back from me there.

You want to rethink what you said earlier?

You realize the BTN only plays the afterthought games and non revenue sports right?

If the big ten wants to next media deal they could sell all the rights they want to to Amazon or Apple. The SEC could do the same.

BTN owned 61% by FOX owns rights to ALL B10 Home Games, now who is calling the shots here? Let me give you a clue, it's not the B10.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You want to rethink what you said earlier?

You realize the BTN only plays the afterthought games and non revenue sports right?

If the big ten wants to next media deal they could sell all the rights they want to to Amazon or Apple. The SEC could do the same.

BTN owned 61% by FOX owns rights to ALL B10 Home Games, now who is calling the shots here? Let me give you a clue, it's not the B10.

You presented me with facts that I can’t refute. That BTN stuff is news to me and most of the alums I know, at least based on my group chats lol

Got no choice but to concede the argument to ya on that one. Gonna have to dig deeper here because that just doesn’t make sense but I’ll give you and @cykadelic2 the win here.

 

[BigJCy]

 

[laminak]

The guy who is almost always wrong on Twitter yet this board just can’t quit quoting him like he matters

This board goes crazy every year, especially in the off-season, about any type of rumor or realignment news/speculation based on a few years were ISU was almost f-ed over like OSU and WSU.

 

[HFCS]

SIAP but Grand Canyon and Seattle to WCC along with WSU/Ore St temporary basketball membership.

If those mbb attendance #s are true it's no surprised Oregon State and WSU are the teams that have been effectively relegated so far.

This guy is insane for realignment if anyone wants to check out his stuff:


Kind of shows how academics/culture used to be a big deal but really aren't anymore. WCC has taken BYU, GCU and now big state schools when they can to help them, their other members are all super expensive exclusive catholic colleges.

 

[2speedy1]

Figured that was coming. I can see this happening more if things continue. Similarly ifNC wants to go to the Big 2 and leave NCSt behind, they maybe are going to share that big money so both institutions are close to equal.

I can see this more than some state/BoR requiring them to stay together and force a conference to take both or neither, which wont happen and would make no sense. But in this way they are not preventing anyone from moving conferences or bettering their situation, but they would make sure the major universities in their state remain equal or close to it.

This is where privates like USC or places where all flagships are already in the big 2 will have an upper hand.

 

[yowza]

Isn't Cal in some weird ACC alliance now?

 

[ClubCy]

Isn't Cal in some weird ACC alliance now?

They are in the ACC as of July. I believe recieving 30% of the payout + the money from UCLA.