Season High

[Cloner97]

In Big XII play, and especially over the course of the most recenyt games, Iowa State has allowed an opposing player to get a Season High or 2nd Highest Point Total of the Season. I would really love to see some improved defense, even if that comes at the expense of not scoring 70+ points, which they have done in every game this year

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WVA-Dibo-20-Season High
TCU-Anderson-27-2nd Most
Fields-18-2nd Most
OSU-Nash-26-2nd Most
OU-Hield-30-Season High
KU-Wiggins-29-Season High
Tex-Holmes-23-Season High
KU-Tharpe-23-Season high

 

[mcdrier]

This is a chronic ISU thing...Dating back to the Johnny Orr days, it always seemed we have left one player just go off on us. It happens across different coaches, different players, different eras, different opposing teams, it is just a crux of being an ISU fan.

It just seems as there is a player that has his best day against ISU. It is annoying, but it happens what seems all the freakin' time.

I hate it...

 

[Wesley]

Yeah, but Dilbo? My Lord, that was a surprise.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Pretty sure the team has spend most of this week on defense. I look for a nice improvement against TT

 

[intrepid27]

While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.

Well, five of those guys on the list are the leading (Wiggins, Heild, Holmes, Anderson) or seconding leading (Fields) scorers, and I do not think Nash would be considered a "playing the odds" guy either.

 

[Clonefan94]

I bet TCU was saying the same thing Saturday night.

 

[roundball]

While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.

A lot of those guys lead their team in scoring.

 

[CornFedIABoy]

I would really love to see some improved defense, even if that comes at the expense of not scoring 70+ points

So you're a fan of ISU basketball circa 1998? If that's what you want to see I suggest you become a UTEP fan.

Hoiball isn't about defense, it's about our offense overwhelming the opponent's ability to keep up. Hoiball is to men's basketball what Oregon's or Baylor's offense is to football.

 

[Cyclones01]

Well, five of those guys on the list are the leading (Wiggins, Heild, Holmes, Anderson) or seconding leading (Fields) scorers, and I do not think Nash would be considered a "playing the odds" guy either.

Not to mention Nash scored quite a few of those points in 3 OTs

 

[ThurgoodMarshal]

Yeah, but Dilbo? My Lord, that was a surprise.

Dilbo Baggins?

 

[khaal53]

I mentioned this not so long ago, but here I go again.

I did this last year where I analyzed the number of players that outscored their average points per game and points per 50 possessions in Big 12 play. What I found was players outscored their averages per game in part because of more possessions against ISU and in part because it was usually guys that scored less making those increases (a product of Fred's defensive scheme to get the non high scorers to do the work). Here's the article from last year: Scoring Outbursts & Their Victims 2.0 |

I planned to do it again later this year but since it came up I quick ran some numbers. I'll go into more detail in a couple of weeks or so, but:

This is the number of times a team allowed an opposing player to score 50% more than their average:

Oklahoma State	39
West Virginia	37
Oklahoma	37
Iowa State	36
TCU	35
Texas	31
Texas Tech	28
Baylor	28
Kansas	25
Kansas State	20

This is the number of times teams have allowed opposing players to score 75% above their average:

Oklahoma State	20
West Virginia	18
Texas	17
Baylor	16
TCU	15
Oklahoma	14
Texas Tech	12
Iowa State	12
Kansas	9
Kansas State	6

When you consider tempo, this is the number of times players have scored 50% over their points per 50 possession average:

TCU	41
West Virginia	34
Oklahoma	34
Baylor	32
Texas Tech	31
Iowa State	28
Oklahoma State	27
Texas	26
Kansas	22
Kansas State	21

And the number of times opposing players have scored 75% over their average points per 50 possessions:

TCU	14
Texas	12
West Virginia	12
Baylor	12
Texas Tech	11
Oklahoma State	11
Iowa State	10
Kansas	6
Oklahoma	6
Kansas State	5

I'll go into more details in a couple of weeks with the full write-up but I think that generally discredits the thought that opposing players go off against ISU. Granted, this totally ignores the "season high" aspect of what is often talked about but the numbers show opposing players aren't rising up against ISU nearly as much as the general consensus would indicate.

 

[SoapyCy]

Thanks! I think we only point this out when we lose. ...And we lose because we take quick shots that don't go in and give the other team more possessions. I doubt anyone would point this out if we won by shooting out normal percentage.

 

[VeloClone]

There you go again, Kirk, ruining all of our fun with your so-called facts.

 

[Die4Cy]

I mentioned this not so long ago, but here I go again.

I did this last year where I analyzed the number of players that outscored their average points per game and points per 50 possessions in Big 12 play. What I found was players outscored their averages per game in part because of more possessions against ISU and in part because it was usually guys that scored less making those increases (a product of Fred's defensive scheme to get the non high scorers to do the work). Here's the article from last year: Scoring Outbursts & Their Victims 2.0 |

I planned to do it again later this year but since it came up I quick ran some numbers. I'll go into more detail in a couple of weeks or so, but:

This is the number of times a team allowed an opposing player to score 50% more than their average:

Oklahoma State	39
West Virginia	37
Oklahoma	37
Iowa State	36
TCU	35
Texas	31
Texas Tech	28
Baylor	28
Kansas	25
Kansas State	20

This is the number of times teams have allowed opposing players to score 75% above their average:

Oklahoma State	20
West Virginia	18
Texas	17
Baylor	16
TCU	15
Oklahoma	14
Texas Tech	12
Iowa State	12
Kansas	9
Kansas State	6

When you consider tempo, this is the number of times players have scored 50% over their points per 50 possession average:

TCU	41
West Virginia	34
Oklahoma	34
Baylor	32
Texas Tech	31
Iowa State	28
Oklahoma State	27
Texas	26
Kansas	22
Kansas State	21

And the number of times opposing players have scored 75% over their average points per 50 possessions:

TCU	14
Texas	12
West Virginia	12
Baylor	12
Texas Tech	11
Oklahoma State	11
Iowa State	10
Kansas	6
Oklahoma	6
Kansas State	5

I'll go into more details in a couple of weeks with the full write-up but I think that generally discredits the thought that opposing players go off against ISU. Granted, this totally ignores the "season high" aspect of what is often talked about but the numbers show opposing players aren't rising up against ISU nearly as much as the general consensus would indicate.

The balls on this guy, ruining one of my favorite myths of Cyclone basketball! Guess I will be going back to the "Cowgirl is not hiding in the bathroom" reason for losses, then.

 

[stateofmind]

Add Crocket to the list now.

 

[VeloClone]

Perry Ellis had a career high today and he wasn't facing ISU. :spinny: