How did you like Fred but don't like Prohm? That's the part that makes you look like a troll
UNI vs. ISU - thoughts/predictions?
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How did you like Fred but don't like Prohm? That's the part that makes you look like a troll
You like to use examples in a vacuum. LE almost led ISU to a final four, then lost to Hampton and seemed to be a terrible person to those players. Would he have been a good coach because some players went to the NBA? Was he good because they were minutes from a final four? Or was he a terrible coach because he was drinking with college grisl and maybe treating his players like grabage? Perhaps it is in who you and ask their perspective.
Of course drinking with under age girls and being verbally abusive is extreme, but I hope you see my point. You can list a few things good about Prohm and a few things bad about Fred. Neither is enough to say one is good or bad. It is perspective.
Good point on Texas AM. Hurt them that their in bounder was injured/fouled out. Regardless, I respond with Prohm telling Ames Tribune he was waiting before changing his line up to what was successful and now I am searching for something to be mad at. My point is we all have biases, but I thought that warrants some skepticism. Others don't. That is fine,
You are literally saying Fred was good and Prohm isn't with your one example being a second round tournament game for Prohm. What are you talking about?
You were the one that used the specific example of the Purdue game to indict CSP's capabilities.
Please tell us you developed a more cohesive argue
Super, come back in another 4 years and we'll see how it plays out.
I never said I liked Fred. Again,, I said something you disagree with and suddenly I am a troll. Did I like the Job Fred did? Absolutely. Do I think the loss to UAB was bad? Of course. IF you want to compare, let's see what Prohm does season 5 at Iowa State. That is a fair comparison.
So have you ever liked an ISU basketball coach before? I mean they've all lost games they could have won
I have used a few different examples. Slow to make changes like starting slow every season, Murray and ISU, admitted should've played Young earlier than he did last year, Purdue game, showed a story by CW in which defense was his main priority and that didn't happen. Just saying, there are points that I think aren't ideal, but of course, nobody is perfect.
To the point of this thread, I think Jacobson will be able to keep a step ahead of Prohm. Why is that unreasonable?
Just make sure you wear your purple gold AND black jersey Saturday so you're covered for both games.
I don't think that you are trolling, but I disagree with you because it seems like you are kind of nitpicking a little too much. I haven't been thrilled with all of the gameplans that we have put out there either but after back to back 20 win seasons, 2 NCAA tournaments (and three tournament wins), and a Big XII tournament title in his first two seasons it seems like at worst you could say he still has a lot to prove as a coach. To say that you straight up don't like him seems a little bit harsh. I definitely wouldn't say that Prohm is a great coach yet, and he may never be, but I am in the camp that thinks he is a good coach.
Here is why: At 43, he is still fairly young and learning some of the intricacies of coaching at the NCAA DI level (especially at the Big XII level). While his game management has been fairly average to date and his teams seem to get off to frustratingly slow starts which may indicate some gameplanning weaknesses at the coaching level, his teams also seem to finish games strong and more often than not pull out the win, which may indicate good halftime adjustments.
For me, Prohm's fairly average game management thus far doesn't make him a disappointment as a coach because he is really good at just about everything else about being a coach. I have been a big fan of every single freshman that he has brought in so far, and next years class looks promising too (I still think Long can be a nice player for ISU but even if he never pans out, one miss in five is a winning percentage), but I don't expect us to be as competitive in the transfer market as we were under Fred. CSP has also shown he is above average (maybe well above average) in player development.
Frustratingly slow starts to the season, and to games may become an unfortunate part of being and Iowa State basketball fan, or it could improve as CSP continues to perfect his craft. But with Prohm at the helm I don't think we will have much of a skill/talent disparity against many teams that we play. And our players will be maxing out their talent.
Add in the fact that the man is a class act, which shouldn't be understated in the current college basketball/FBI climate yet always is. He isn't perfect, but he is a Cyclone.
Agree to disagree I guess...
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The game plan thing is an interesting take.
Anyone remember when Fred Hoiberg got down by about 20 to Oklahoma and trashed the game plan and just let the players basically play street ball to come back and win?
Anyone remember when Fred Hoiberg got down by about 20 to Oklahoma and trashed the game plan and just let the players basically play street ball to come back and win?
Wow, got back on here this morning and this thread really got derailed lol
Welcome to CF. To get this back on track how much better is McCloud this year compared to last? Night and day
<sarcasm> Yeah, but his second-half adjustments are absolutely terrible. I mean, it's not like we came back from down 14 at halftime in one of the top 3 toughest places to play in America. </sarcasm>
A good coach with a moral compass...a true family man that can really recruit? In this age of Rick Pitinos and Art Briles...yes please.
There's a difference betwen having a "defensive philosophy" and "making it a priority". No coach is going to say they don't care about defense. He's an offensive coach. If you think he came to ISU with a plan to make us a defensive juggernaut, you weren't paying attention or you're hearing bad info.
You wouldn't be the first to promote that theory. I'm not sure where it started that Prohm was going to make us a defensive team, but it was probably CF.
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Just pointing out that recently...they have shot like **** from outside. I fully expect them to go all hokeye and shoot 75% against us but they aren't as lethal from outside as they have been in the past. Which means you can afford to pack in the middle a little more and make them beat you from outside.
Agree about Carlson. A Hogue like guy that just does all the little things
As far as McCloud- Take away the Alcorn St where he shot 6-8 game and he is shooting 23%. But like you pointed out...that game also signifies he can get hot...it just doesn't happen often.
If Jacobson stays a step a head of Prohm, Prohm won't be the coach for much longer. Jacobson gets to the tournament less than 50% of the time and it will be more difficult now having to win the conference tourney every year to get in.
Prohm has a higher winning percentage than Jacobson. Has one less tournament appearance in 6 less years of being a head coach. Prohm has made the tournament in 3 out of 6 years as a head coach, Jacobson has made the tournament in only 4 of 11 years.
They lost the Purdue game, it happens.
