When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[dmclone]

The thing that scares me a little is what happens on 5/1. Millions of owners will lose FSD and when they hit their right stalk, it will just go to AutoPilot, which is not anything like FSD. There are a lot of drivers that have been using FSD religiously over the last few weeks, and may be accustomed to the car handling everything. I suppose they will put a lot of warnings out on the first day.

 

[BryceC]

Where does that end? Where do you draw the line?

I don't want to argue it here, and won't, just make the point that reasonable people can disagree where that line is. And that unreasonable people can use that to justify all kinds of tyranny and oppression.

I draw the line where people are unreasonably afraid of technological innovation that could save lives.

I'm not philosophical about it. I don't where the line is. Somebody, somewhere thinks we've gone way too far with seatbelt laws. I don't care about them, the way I won't care about people uncomfortable about automated cars when they are just demonstrably safer.

 

[DSMCy]

I draw the line where people are unreasonably afraid of technological innovation that could save lives.

I'm not philosophical about it. I don't where the line is. Somebody, somewhere thinks we've gone way too far with seatbelt laws. I don't care about them, the way I won't care about people uncomfortable about automated cars when they are just demonstrably safer.

Yep, imagine a world where a vehicle death (or even just a vehicle crash) is a news story because it happens so infrequently.
I'll take that.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Exactly, all you will hear is somebody got run over, or the auto drive drove me right into a lake. But even if you can show statistics proving that it has less accidents than human drivers, it will be the emotional "what about the children?" that dominates headlines.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it"

Ah, I was reading through the latest posts and immediately thought of the same Men in Black quote.

 

[HFCS]

Yep, imagine a world where a vehicle death (or even just a vehicle crash) is a news story because it happens so infrequently.
I'll take that.

Or even traffic synchronicity. A huge amount of traffic is just people driving like morons accelerating into brake lights of the cars in front of them.

 

[DSMCy]

Or even traffic synchronicity. A huge amount of traffic is just people driving like morons accelerating into brake lights of the cars in front of them.

I always think about this when I'm stuck in a big line at a stop light, if when the light turned green, every single car started moving forward at the same time.

 

[HFCS]

I always think about this when I'm stuck in a big line at a stop light, if when the light turned green, every single car started moving forward at the same time.

Or if people on a massive freeway just cruised up to the brake lights in front of them instead of accelerating into them and slamming on their own brakes. Would ease congestion but also reduce accidents.

I’m skeptical as a society we can embrace the reality that self driving cars are safer yet still not 100% safe. People really struggle with per capita stats and percentages. I’m thrilled Big 12 is done being a small ten team conference mainly for that reason.

 

[besserheimerphat]

https://apnews.com/article/trucks-s...ation-driver-083409631158f54d806d75309c4764e2

Tractor-trailers with no one aboard? The future is near for self-driving trucks on US roads

 

[isucy86]

https://apnews.com/article/trucks-s...ation-driver-083409631158f54d806d75309c4764e2

Tractor-trailers with no one aboard? The future is near for self-driving trucks on US roads

For some reason this makes me think of Steven Spielberg's move Duel

IMO self driving vehicles would be the biggest innovation in the last 50 years.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I draw the line where people are unreasonably afraid of technological innovation that could save lives.

I'm not philosophical about it. I don't where the line is. Somebody, somewhere thinks we've gone way too far with seatbelt laws. I don't care about them, the way I won't care about people uncomfortable about automated cars when they are just demonstrably safer.

Apparently you do care that they don't think like you and want them to be forced to do so.

 

[TitanClone]

All that sounds amazing... but the typical buyer doesn't care about 99% of that stuff. Sales figures are showing that the cool-factor crowd is tapped out and the next stage of buyers is more about budget and practicality. Those stats are just noise.

And some aren't exactly new - adaptive suspension, variable drive mode, ventilated seats (my last 3 Toyota's have had ventilated leather seats with both heat and cold controls), "performance chassis", "high performance brakes", Carbon Fibre Details... they're not that uncommon.

The new wave of buyers is going to see the price and a range under 300 miles, not much else. It's like us computer nerds. I built computers starting at age 8 and controlled every spec imaginable. But the mass market quickly turned from the nerdy builders to auto configured, pre-built gaming machines for 95% of the market.

I think more people would care about the 0 to 60 if they thought about it as a safety feature instead neat fast. Merging onto a busy interstate with slow acceleration vs fast makes a huge difference.

 

[BryceC]

Apparently you do care that they don't think like you and want them to be forced to do so.

Good point. I care that human flourishing is impeded by ignorant people. I shouldn’t say that I don’t care what they think, I should say I don’t value what they think.

I can’t change how people think. I don’t think public policy should be set by people who are afraid of technology.

 

[nfrine]

Good point. I care that human flourishing is impeded by ignorant people. I shouldn’t say that I don’t care what they think, I should say I don’t value what they think.

I can’t change how people think. I don’t think public policy should be set by people who are afraid of technology.

Likewise, lining up and following Elon Musk is not high on my list of things to do.

 

[BryceC]

Likewise, lining up and following Elon Musk is not high on my list of things to do.

I don’t particularly like the guy but he’s not the only one advancing this technology.

 

[Clonehomer]

I think more people would care about the 0 to 60 if they thought about it as a safety feature instead neat fast. Merging onto a busy interstate with slow acceleration vs fast makes a huge difference.

doesn’t matter when you have that soccer mom in front of you holding her phone up to her face while on speakerphone trying to merge at 30 mph. Not that I’m referring to a specific incident from this weekend that may have nearly caused a road rage incident.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Good point. I care that human flourishing is impeded by ignorant people. I shouldn’t say that I don’t care what they think, I should say I don’t value what they think.

I can’t change how people think. I don’t think public policy should be set by people who are afraid of technology.

Your version of flourishing.

 

[Clonehomer]

Good point. I care that human flourishing is impeded by ignorant people. I shouldn’t say that I don’t care what they think, I should say I don’t value what they think.

I can’t change how people think. I don’t think public policy should be set by people who are afraid of technology.

Is being so distracted that you can’t spend the effort to drive your own car really flourishing? Seems that the more that we push off to machine learning, the less humans need to do. And that’s going to lead to less daily decision making and mental acuteness, which will lead to being dumber and dumber until we get to Idiocracy levels.

On a simpler level, has installing handicap doors on all public buildings really made the human race flourish, or has it just made us all lazy?

 

[isucy86]

Is being so distracted that you can’t spend the effort to drive your own car really flourishing? Seems that the more that we push off to machine learning, the less humans need to do. And that’s going to lead to less daily decision making and mental acuteness, which will lead to being dumber and dumber until we get to Idiocracy levels.

On a simpler level, has installing handicap doors on all public buildings really made the human race flourish, or has it just made us all lazy?

But is driving the singular intellectual act a person can do on a car ride? When I lived out east, loved taking the train to work. Great opportunity to read.

I love the idea of self-driving cars on long road-trips.

Also, a couple years back read an article that self-driving cars could save people money. A car(s) is typically a person/family(s) 2nd largest expense, but the typical car is driven 4% of the day. So it may make financial sense to use ride services like Uber & Lyft sans a driver.

 

[GBlade]

Is being so distracted that you can’t spend the effort to drive your own car really flourishing? Seems that the more that we push off to machine learning, the less humans need to do. And that’s going to lead to less daily decision making and mental acuteness, which will lead to being dumber and dumber until we get to Idiocracy levels.

On a simpler level, has installing handicap doors on all public buildings really made the human race flourish, or has it just made us all lazy?

There are many groups that cannot drive: children, disabled, elderly. For those, having a reliable self driving car opens doors previously closed (like handicap doors!) such as, grocery store runs, Dr appointments, and after school activities. Not to mention it would probably raise the average driver's DQ by removing less comfortable drivers from the wheel and overall make roads safer.

I'd be more concerned with urban sprawl as it opens up more options for commuting.

 

[BryceC]

Your version of flourishing.

My version of flourishing includes not killing and maiming so many people on the road. I guess if yours likes that we define things differently.