Bikers on Roads

clones_jer

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Anybody else hate them? I heard on the news a few minutes ago that these dudes were riding side-by-side, 8 of them, and a truck passed them and clipped them with one of his trailers.

Personally, these guys are idiots. They ride side by side, blocking off country roads and never ride single file.

Edit: To specify - Bicycles.

Depends where you get your news: Iowa Bicycle Coalition

This version of the story tells of bikes riding in single file (not 8-wide)... makes more sense to draft out in the country. The only people who ride that wide are Mom and the kids out for a Sunday ride.

Also the driver left! ... hit the guy and freaking left the scene! damn bikers anyway :rolleyes:
 

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Depends where you get your news: Iowa Bicycle Coalition

This version of the story tells of bikes riding in single file (not 8-wide)... makes more sense to draft out in the country. The only people who ride that wide are Mom and the kids out for a Sunday ride.

Also the driver left! ... hit the guy and freaking left the scene! damn bikers anyway :rolleyes:

There's a good chance he didn't even know he clipped the guy. He knocked his handle bars, from what I understand.

And I highly doubt they were riding single file. If that was the case, he would have been able to pass, and would have likely been much less violent about it. The woman they interviewed talked about how he was behind them for a while and was laying on the horn (which they're used to, btw).

I'm sorry, it's terrible the guy got hurt, but I highly doubt they were single file.
 

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My opinion: Bikers on the road can be dangerous, especially around curves and hills. I really don't know of a solution that would fix this problem, because you can't tell them they can't ride on the roads. Sure, there are bike trails around, but not everywhere. I don't mind meeting them on the road if they seem to be trying to be safe. I hate the bikers that seem to be oblivious to their surroundings and ride in the middle of the road. Move over.

They ride there so you see them - just like motorcycles.

You pass them just like a car, only easier. Just remember to change lanes.
 

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There's a good chance he didn't even know he clipped the guy. He knocked his handle bars, from what I understand.

And I highly doubt they were riding single file. If that was the case, he would have been able to pass, and would have likely been much less violent about it. The woman they interviewed talked about how he was behind them for a while and was laying on the horn (which they're used to, btw).

I'm sorry, it's terrible the guy got hurt, but I highly doubt they were single file.

So he couldn't look in the mirror either?

95% of every group of bicycles I've ever seen in the country are riding single file ... there's no way 8 riders can maintain 20 mph per the story unless they're drafting or have one cancerous testicle removed.

Everybody drafts on the open road. This sounds like a club nightly ride - no way they were all fighting the wind.

This guy got pissed and damn near killed somebody. I hope they prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. If you can't control your emotions and endanger human life you need some prison time to sort out your priorities.
 
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There is no way they were 8 across. If they were they would have taken up more than one lane. They were possibly two across. As a cyclist him laying on the horn makes it sound more like a screw you get off the road type of honk than a here I come honk.
 

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Last week a friend of mine got a bunch of people (13 of us) together to bike to Olde Main for $1 pint night. Safer than driving, nice night, much more fun. As we are biking on a residential road, a moron in a car pulls up right behind us and starts honking and yelling and swearing at us to get out of the way. We were single file and holding tighter to the curb than was all that necessary, but he still sat right on our tail until we got to a stop light, where he proceeded to sit for the next 20 seconds. Good thing he blew up - he could have sat at that light for an extra 6 seconds.

To those of you who have never ridden a bike on a street before, hold your comments. You don't know what you are talking about, and although the internet, and specifically message boards are the holy land for idiots who think they know something about everything, try it sometime. I drive a car a lot, but I also bike when it's nice out. Bike trails typically aren't for transit - they're for relaxation and getting away from roads. Why do you drive on roads? To get where you are going, quickly. Those who bike do it for a variety of reasons, but a whole bunch of moron drivers who think they own the road make life hell for them. I'm still trying to understand though why you will rip on bikers and ***** them out while you will politely move over for a motorcycle. And don't tell me it's the speed thing; You still have to pass.
 

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Most bikes slow down to about the speed most drivers do at deserted stop signs. genuflect and go.

I know you are not replying to my post, but it the city, bikers usually don't even bother to slow down at stop signs and it is really annoying and dangerous. I agree that cars are horrible toward bikes sometimes, but you have to obey the rules of the road if you want to be treated as another vehicle on the road.
 

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Last week a friend of mine got a bunch of people (13 of us) together to bike to Olde Main for $1 pint night. Safer than driving, nice night, much more fun. As we are biking on a residential road, a moron in a car pulls up right behind us and starts honking and yelling and swearing at us to get out of the way. We were single file and holding tighter to the curb than was all that necessary, but he still sat right on our tail until we got to a stop light, where he proceeded to sit for the next 20 seconds. Good thing he blew up - he could have sat at that light for an extra 6 seconds.

To those of you who have never ridden a bike on a street before, hold your comments. You don't know what you are talking about, and although the internet, and specifically message boards are the holy land for idiots who think they know something about everything, try it sometime. I drive a car a lot, but I also bike when it's nice out. Bike trails typically aren't for transit - they're for relaxation and getting away from roads. Why do you drive on roads? To get where you are going, quickly. Those who bike do it for a variety of reasons, but a whole bunch of moron drivers who think they own the road make life hell for them. I'm still trying to understand though why you will rip on bikers and ***** them out while you will politely move over for a motorcycle. And don't tell me it's the speed thing; You still have to pass.

I've road a bike on a street before. I've also driven out in the country before (many, many times, but not nearly as often as some of these folks), and have been stuck behind PLENTY of groups of bikers who refused to go single file when they heard/saw me coming.

Last time this happened I was out on X avenue, coming in to Ames from Slater, and a group of 4 (riding in the middle of the lane, side by side) looked behind and kept on riding. Anybody who has driven that part of X avenue (not sure what it's called right off of HWY 30) knows that it's solid yellow line most of the way through, and I was more than slightly annoyed.

This has been a much more common experience for myself than single file bikers, as I know most people would agree. I have nothing against bikers who ride single file, or let cars go after they realize the solid yellow line doesn't run out for a while, but the ones that maintain their side by side formation, it gets old.

So save your "you don't know what you're talking about" speil. These yahoos put themselves in danger, and put others in the position to put them in danger.
 

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I also want to add that I used to ride my bike in the streets of Ames and had no problems, so know that my posts are coming from the congestion of Chicago traffic. They have put in bike lanes in some places, which are helpful, but the stop sign thing drives me nuts (which is why I have mentioned it 3 times). It is a blatent disregard for traffic laws and I see everyone on a bike do it. The one or two times I actually saw a bike stop I wanted to congratulate the person for being civilized.
 

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Anybody else hate them? I heard on the news a few minutes ago that these dudes were riding side-by-side, 8 of them, and a truck passed them and clipped them with one of his trailers.

Personally, these guys are idiots. They ride side by side, blocking off country roads and never ride single file.

Edit: To specify - Bicycles.

Who's the idiot again?

from Tim McCoy. Everyone, please keep Doug, his family and his friends in your prayers. To my cycling friends, friends and family, Today started out like most Saturdays as the spring finally begins to dawn in Alaska, uh Iowa. We left Rasmussen's Bike Shop at 7am headed toward Winterset. I have cycled on this road twenty to thirty times. There was a group of eight of us who turned around in Winterset. It was a glorious day and an awesome ride. We were making our way back to Des Moines when from behind us a horn started to blow. It got louder and louder and then you could feel something large very close to the group, way too close for anyone's safety. Then, in a split second tragedy struck our group. I was at the front of the group and close to the white line on the right. Our friend Doug Smith was right next to me on my left. We were riding at about twenty miles per hour. The next thing I knew is I felt pressure against the left side of my body and bike. In my mind I said I am going to crash. The next moment I heard screaming as the truck raced past us. The force pushed me to the side of the road but I was still standing and ok. I looked back and there was our friend Doug in the middle of the road. The girls continued to scream now with anger at the truck that literally ran over our friend and kept going. The emotions at moments like this are legion. I started to cry. I started to curse, filled with anger but oddly enough not at the man who did this but at the fact Doug was in the road possibly dying and I was helpless to do a damn thing about it. I prayed dear God please do not let Doug die. I felt grateful, riding out of Winterset I was in Doug's position in the pace line. This could just as easily have been me. I was stunned. i could not believe this was actually happening. What happened over the next few hours was amazing. Neighbors came out of their homes to assist Doug. Mark, one of our riders whom I do not know very well got on his stomach in the middle of the road and held Doug's hand and felt his pulse. At first he was unconscious, then he awoke not knowing what had just happened to him. I do not know if I could have done what Mark did. It was such a simple act and yet so profoundly powerful at the moment. Doug's beautiful carbon fibre bike lay in three pieces. I stared at it for a few seconds or minutes. I turned and walked up the road away from Doug's body. I then noticed two trucks barreling toward us. Of course they would, they had no idea. I waved my arms to stop them and told them what had happened. One young man described a truck he had passed and asked me if this was the truck. i said yes. The man turned around and caught up to the truck. The man who ran over Doug did come back to the scene probably a half hour later. The delay was good because the anger toward him was huge. I hugged Maria and Keely as they cried. I could not cry at this moment. The Ambulances came. The attendants worked efficiently to stabilize Doug. He was alive! The Ambulance left and there we were, seven people who had our own wounds to deal with. Trauma needs meaning and significance given to it in order to heal. This made no sense. It had no meaning I could think of. The actions of the farmer, senseless. Surely he did not do this on purpose. Cyclists on the road are incredibly vulnerable. All of us who ride know it. We all have our stories. As I searched for meaning Keely's dad Rick pulled up. John Reed pulled up. Barb Standish pulled up. Spontaneous hugging began taking place everywhere. We were all alive, crying, smiling, hugging, expressing our gratitude for each other and the various roles everyone played to deal with this tragedy. In the midst of our busy lives it came to me. People, relationships, love that is what matters, that is what gave this meaning. A senseless farmer and our friend Doug taught me that this morning. Everyone went to the hospital immediately except me. I was quiet and on the verge of tears on the way home. Sitting next to Barb reminded me of how short life is and how quickly it can be taken away. I went home and showered. I ate. Then, I sort of woke up and knew I needed to be with my friends. I was scared that one of our friends would not be alive when I arrived. Barb and I walked into the emergency family waiting area to find Doug's family, his wife, his daughter, his dad, his mom, Rick, Keely, Heather, John and the hospital chaplain. "Doug is going to be all right". He has a fractured skull, a broken pelvis, a torn urethra but he will recover. In spite of his injuries I cannot tell you how good it was to know he was alive and would recover! Sally, Doug's wife thanked us all and said if it were not for us Doug might be dead. I hold back the tears as I write this right now. You know, I might be dead if it were not for all of you. I needed to write this to you all for me. From the bottom of my heart thank you for whatever role you play in my life. I am so grateful to be alive and to know such wonderful people like you. For those of you who pray please pray for Doug and his family. Tim McCoy
 

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Well, I think that is a good reminder that while some things are debatable, this was a tragedy and our sympathy should go out to the riders.
 

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Who's the idiot again?

from Tim McCoy. Everyone, please keep Doug, his family and his friends in your prayers. To my cycling friends, friends and family, Today started out like most Saturdays as the spring finally begins to dawn in Alaska, uh Iowa. We left Rasmussen's Bike Shop at 7am headed toward Winterset. I have cycled on this road twenty to thirty times. There was a group of eight of us who turned around in Winterset. It was a glorious day and an awesome ride. We were making our way back to Des Moines when from behind us a horn started to blow. It got louder and louder and then you could feel something large very close to the group, way too close for anyone's safety. Then, in a split second tragedy struck our group. I was at the front of the group and close to the white line on the right. Our friend Doug Smith was right next to me on my left. We were riding at about twenty miles per hour. The next thing I knew is I felt pressure against the left side of my body and bike. In my mind I said I am going to crash. The next moment I heard screaming as the truck raced past us. The force pushed me to the side of the road but I was still standing and ok. I looked back and there was our friend Doug in the middle of the road. The girls continued to scream now with anger at the truck that literally ran over our friend and kept going. The emotions at moments like this are legion. I started to cry. I started to curse, filled with anger but oddly enough not at the man who did this but at the fact Doug was in the road possibly dying and I was helpless to do a damn thing about it. I prayed dear God please do not let Doug die. I felt grateful, riding out of Winterset I was in Doug's position in the pace line. This could just as easily have been me. I was stunned. i could not believe this was actually happening. What happened over the next few hours was amazing. Neighbors came out of their homes to assist Doug. Mark, one of our riders whom I do not know very well got on his stomach in the middle of the road and held Doug's hand and felt his pulse. At first he was unconscious, then he awoke not knowing what had just happened to him. I do not know if I could have done what Mark did. It was such a simple act and yet so profoundly powerful at the moment. Doug's beautiful carbon fibre bike lay in three pieces. I stared at it for a few seconds or minutes. I turned and walked up the road away from Doug's body. I then noticed two trucks barreling toward us. Of course they would, they had no idea. I waved my arms to stop them and told them what had happened. One young man described a truck he had passed and asked me if this was the truck. i said yes. The man turned around and caught up to the truck. The man who ran over Doug did come back to the scene probably a half hour later. The delay was good because the anger toward him was huge. I hugged Maria and Keely as they cried. I could not cry at this moment. The Ambulances came. The attendants worked efficiently to stabilize Doug. He was alive! The Ambulance left and there we were, seven people who had our own wounds to deal with. Trauma needs meaning and significance given to it in order to heal. This made no sense. It had no meaning I could think of. The actions of the farmer, senseless. Surely he did not do this on purpose. Cyclists on the road are incredibly vulnerable. All of us who ride know it. We all have our stories. As I searched for meaning Keely's dad Rick pulled up. John Reed pulled up. Barb Standish pulled up. Spontaneous hugging began taking place everywhere. We were all alive, crying, smiling, hugging, expressing our gratitude for each other and the various roles everyone played to deal with this tragedy. In the midst of our busy lives it came to me. People, relationships, love that is what matters, that is what gave this meaning. A senseless farmer and our friend Doug taught me that this morning. Everyone went to the hospital immediately except me. I was quiet and on the verge of tears on the way home. Sitting next to Barb reminded me of how short life is and how quickly it can be taken away. I went home and showered. I ate. Then, I sort of woke up and knew I needed to be with my friends. I was scared that one of our friends would not be alive when I arrived. Barb and I walked into the emergency family waiting area to find Doug's family, his wife, his daughter, his dad, his mom, Rick, Keely, Heather, John and the hospital chaplain. "Doug is going to be all right". He has a fractured skull, a broken pelvis, a torn urethra but he will recover. In spite of his injuries I cannot tell you how good it was to know he was alive and would recover! Sally, Doug's wife thanked us all and said if it were not for us Doug might be dead. I hold back the tears as I write this right now. You know, I might be dead if it were not for all of you. I needed to write this to you all for me. From the bottom of my heart thank you for whatever role you play in my life. I am so grateful to be alive and to know such wonderful people like you. For those of you who pray please pray for Doug and his family. Tim McCoy

They weren't riding single file? It's too bad someone had to get hurt, but common sense tells you that if you are exposed on an open road with thousands of pounds of metal traveling at high velocities, you gotta look out for yourself just a little bit. Take some responsibility.
 
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I don't understand what the fuss is. 25 wide or 1 wide you still need to slow down and pass safely. Buzzing by one with oncoming traffic is not safe either. I've see too many times where a car passing a bicycle forces oncoming traffic to the shoulder.

Why is it we accept slowing down and passing safely for a tractor but not for bicycles? Tractors take up the whole road....damn be to the tractors too?
 

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This may be the only thing we ever agree on Southern Hawk, I absolutely hate bikers who take up the road. First off, ride on the freaking sidwalk, and if someone is walking on the sidewalk then dip down into the road. Second of all, alot of taxpayer dollars are spent on bikepaths that go all over the place. Our politicians didn't spend millions of taxpayer dollars on roads so you can bike your way over to Starbucks to get a wheatgrass shot...
 

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People that kill people suck.

There are many different people that use the roads in Iowa, driving many different vehicles. Motorcycles, bicycles, farm machinery, & more cautious drivers all drive in a different manner than those who feel the need to endanger lives by not giving any passed vehicle a full lane.

What's the hurry? Are you 5 minutes late and would rather endanger someone's life than not hit the snooze bar 5 times and leave 10 minutes earlier?

The problems don't lie with farmers, bicyclists, motorcyclists, or the like. The problem is the low standard we have for vehicle drivers. Our system of giving out driver's licenses for automobiles is entirely too low, and the penalties for people driving said vehicles in unsafe manners are a joke.

I would suggest that 20% of the vehicle drivers on the road need to have their licenses revoked, starting with those who maim and kill drivers of other vehicles on the road because of ignorance, rage, or intolerance.

It figures that this was started by a Hawk - they put the "I" in "Ignorance".
 
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To legally be able to drive on the road, you have to have a license and insurance.

Why don't people on bicycles have to do the same thing to be on the same roads as cars?

Just asking because as a motorcycle rider, I've seen many motorcycles dangling from the back of a tow truck because the rider didn't have a license or insurance.
 
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Ah, the classic POV argument.

The drivers who hit the bikes, usually turn out to be over-aggressive tools, and the bikers who cause a hazard "because it's my right!" turn out to be passive-aggressive tools.

It's "possible" the truck honked his horn to warn the bikers and then accidently hit the guy, and didn't even know it. (thus the kept driving thing) But passive-aggressive tools all believe they are the center of he universe... They also tend to ride bikes, and turn up their smug noses at others. It's also "possible" the truck driver is a road-raging jerk who should be in prison.

But I don't know, and neither does anyone else here, what the truth is.

Frankly, I won't ride a bike on Iowa roads. In my opinion, it's not a safe activity and I think that only thinking-impaired people would even attempt such a thing.

Now, a bike path sounds fun. Or around town in the non-mainstreets sounds fun as well, as long as I keep my head on a swivel.