What the heck is going on at Michigan?

[Tre4ISU]

Well the Detroit Free Press broke this and they aren't known for siding with Michigan. They also got the breaking info from mainly transfers who were unhappy for some reason or another.(Toney Clemons, who transferred to Colorado and should get along well with Cody Hawkins since they both think they are about 5 times better than they actually are). I just can't believe this is THAT big of news. I am not an insider but I am guess their are alot of "voluntary" workouts that really aren't voluntary in pretty much every school. If you think Urban Meyer is working his guys only 20 hours a week you need to wake up. Same goes with any top tier program. The reason I think this is big is because Michigan is a power, they had a terrible season last year and now the vultures are flying and taking any little thing they can. Michigan will investigate, all of the players will have signed sheets stating compliance and this will be done with in time for Michigan to go 7-1 in the Big Ten.

 

[CycoCyclone]

At ISU?

My apologies, I assumed everyone knew my Uncle (who graduated from ISU in the early 80's) went to Alabama to a football camp this summer. Saban had them boys running.

 

[BryceC]

Do people really think ISU doesn't have "voluntary" programs that attendance is pretty much required at? I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't have lifting, conditioning, 7 on 7, etc stuff that keep our players busy. We always hear about how sports are a full time job...

 

[CycoCyclone]

Do people really think ISU doesn't have "voluntary" programs that attendance is pretty much required at? I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't have lifting, conditioning, 7 on 7, etc stuff that keep our players busy. We always hear about how sports are a full time job...

Absolutely, no one really believes that any D-1 BCS conference team is complying with this rule, but the smart thing is that no one can prove it. Heck, in HS we had "captains' practices" that were mandatory.

If Michigan does get nailed for this (which I don't think will happen), the whole coaching staff should be run out of town, for being unable to run a D-1 program.

 

[jdoggivjc]

From listening to Deace this morning, the "columnist" who broke the story is very old school and didn't like the Rich Rod hire to begin with. This isn't going to end well, much the same way the Callahan era did @ Nebraska.

The difference being Michigan hired a coach that had taken West Virginia to several BCS games while Nebraska hired a coach that the Oakland Raiders had run out of town. Yeah, Callahan did make it to a Super Bowl - with a team that Chucky built the year after Chucky had been run out of town. And Callahan proceeded to drive the Oakland Raiders straight into the ground in a fashion with which they have yet to recover...

 

[cyclonenum1]

Absolutely, no one really believes that any D-1 BCS conference team is complying with this rule, but the smart thing is that no one can prove it. Heck, in HS we had "captains' practices" that were mandatory.

If Michigan does get nailed for this (which I don't think will happen), the whole coaching staff should be run out of town, for being unable to run a D-1 program.

You, obviously, did not read Tornado Man's post earlier in this thread. Most of us believe that probably just about every DI school in America is stretching this rule to the max...but he does not.

What is interesting about this 20 hour rule is that the time taken to play the actual game counts towards the hours. So that takes 3-4 hours off the 20 hours right there. I'm not sure if flying to and from an away game counts towards the hours but I know that LSU is going to spend the entire flight back from Seattle (they play UW on Saturday evening) reviewing game tape from the game they just played.

Clearly, there are forces at Michigan that are working for the demise of Rich Rod. By the way, if you ever want to know why Tommy Bowden bombed at Clemson it is because Rich Rod left him to take over WVU. He had been Bowden's OC at Tulane and Clemson for a year or two. Bowden built his name by leading Tulane to an undefeated season several years ago and used that to get the Clemson job. Tulane was undefeated because of the work Rodriguez did as the OC. If Michigan gives Rodriguez the time, he is going to have Michigan running circles around all of the other plodding teams in the Big 10.

 

[Tre4ISU]

You, obviously, did not read Tornado Man's post earlier in this thread. Most of us believe that probably just about every DI school in America is stretching this rule to the max...but he does not.

What is interesting about this 20 hour rule is that the time taken to play the actual game counts towards the hours. So that takes 3-4 hours off the 20 hours right there. I'm not sure if flying to and from an away game counts towards the hours but I know that LSU is going to spend the entire flight back from Seattle (they play UW on Saturday evening) reviewing game tape from the game they just played.

Clearly, there are forces at Michigan that are working for the demise of Rich Rod. By the way, if you ever want to know why Tommy Bowden bombed at Clemson it is because Rich Rod left him to take over WVU. He had been Bowden's OC at Tulane and Clemson for a year or two. Bowden built his name by leading Tulane to an undefeated season several years ago and used that to get the Clemson job. Tulane was undefeated because of the work Rodriguez did as the OC. If Michigan gives Rodriguez the time, he is going to have Michigan running circles around all of the other plodding teams in the Big 10.

I agree. 100%. I just don't know if he fits the Michigan mold. I will never argue that he cannot be successful. If he gets the guys he wants and Billy Martin allows him to coach, the rest of the Big Ten will be in deep **** because he can create such a dynamic offense. I am just saying he started in hole right away because people wanted Les Miles, Brian Kelly etc. They wanted an "old school guy preferably with Michigan ties. I also agree with the fact that he should be in hot water if they are disciplined for this. NO other big name programs have been punished for this so if he gets caught and we lose anything significant, it's just embarrassing.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The difference being Michigan hired a coach that had taken West Virginia to several BCS games while Nebraska hired a coach that the Oakland Raiders had run out of town. Yeah, Callahan did make it to a Super Bowl - with a team that Chucky built the year after Chucky had been run out of town. And Callahan proceeded to drive the Oakland Raiders straight into the ground in a fashion with which they have yet to recover...

Don't take credit away from Al Davis. He is solely responsible for that ground driving. What an idot he is.i

 

[CycloneJoe]

Chucky left in a trade he was far from run out of town.

They almost brought chucky back this spring.

 

[CycloneJoe]

Al Davis is old he is not an idiot.

The Team was the best team in the AFC for 3 straight years.

The team got old.

They have not drafted great that is their problem.

Cable seems to have turned a corner with this team.

 

[Tornado man]

What is interesting about this 20 hour rule is that the time taken to play the actual game counts towards the hours. So that takes 3-4 hours off the 20 hours right there. I'm not sure if flying to and from an away game counts towards the hours but I know that LSU is going to spend the entire flight back from Seattle (they play UW on Saturday evening) reviewing game tape from the game they just played.

Uh, breaking news: "gameday" counts as three hours towards the 20- hour rule, regardless of the travel beforehand, length of game, etc.

 

[CycoCyclone]

I agree. 100%. I just don't know if he fits the Michigan mold. I will never argue that he cannot be successful. If he gets the guys he wants and Billy Martin allows him to coach, the rest of the Big Ten will be in deep **** because he can create such a dynamic offense. I am just saying he started in hole right away because people wanted Les Miles, Brian Kelly etc. They wanted an "old school guy preferably with Michigan ties. I also agree with the fact that he should be in hot water if they are disciplined for this. NO other big name programs have been punished for this so if he gets caught and we lose anything significant, it's just embarrassing.

I think RRod will give up before he ever gets the horse in Ann Arbor on it's legs.

Michigan will be lucky if RR doesn't sneak down to take over Clemson or some other southern program where all he has to do is coach football.

 

[Tornado man]

Do people really think ISU doesn't have "voluntary" programs that attendance is pretty much required at? I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't have lifting, conditioning, 7 on 7, etc stuff that keep our players busy. We always hear about how sports are a full time job...

Of course Iowa State's "voluntary" workouts in the summer are pretty much required - or at least absence is frowned upon.
However, I doubt that many schools require 8-10 hours of the players' time on Sundays after games, as has been alleged...I know Iowa State doesn't.
C'mon - some Michigan players were interviewed in the Free Press who didn't even know about the 20-hour rule. That raises some eyebrows...

 

[CycoCyclone]

Of course Iowa State's "voluntary" workouts in the summer are pretty much required - or at least absence is frowned upon.
However, I doubt that many schools require 8-10 hours of the players' time on Sundays after games, as has been alleged...I know Iowa State doesn't.
C'mon - some Michigan players were interviewed in the Free Press who didn't even know about the 20-hour rule. That raises some eyebrows...

It's not the player's job to know NCAA rules, it's their job to work their a$$ off for their scholarship. And it doesn't matter if it's hard or tiring, you're essentially getting a free education to play a game. There are 10 guys right behind you willing to step in that never got the shot to play at Nametheschool

 

[BryceC]

So now we're just debating the level of rulebreaking. Honestly this is the biggest nonstory ever. Nothing will come of this. They tracked down some freshman and some malcontents and cultivated a story. This could have been written anywhere as Deace said this morning. He quoted the same paper from last year where Javon Ringer talked about putting in 10 hour days every day.

 

[Tornado man]

So now we're just debating the level of rulebreaking. Honestly this is the biggest nonstory ever. Nothing will come of this. They tracked down some freshman and some malcontents and cultivated a story. This could have been written anywhere as Deace said this morning. He quoted the same paper from last year where Javon Ringer talked about putting in 10 hour days every day.

Yeah, like Steve Deace knows as much as current and former Michigan players do. Right...

 

[cyclonenum1]

Al Davis is old he is not an idiot.

The Team was the best team in the AFC for 3 straight years.

The team got old.

They have not drafted great that is their problem.

Cable seems to have turned a corner with this team.

You apparently did not see the Saints v. Raiders game this past Saturday. It looks more like the Raiders are driving over the cliff than turning the corner.

 

[CycloneErik]

You apparently did not see the Saints v. Raiders game this past Saturday. It looks more like the Raiders are driving over the cliff than turning the corner.

Maybe the edge of the cliff is the corner he's talking about.......

 

[cyclonenum1]

I think RRod will give up before he ever gets the horse in Ann Arbor on it's legs.

Michigan will be lucky if RR doesn't sneak down to take over Clemson or some other southern program where all he has to do is coach football.

I'm not sure what the insinuation is here with this comment.

However, I believe the CFB HC job is tougher at almost all of the "southern programs" than it is at most of the northern programs because of the expectations, passion for, and focus on FB in the south. CFB HCs in the south have a lot of constituencies to attend to and a lot of pressure to deal with. Only a few programs in the north have the same level of scrutiny...and Michigan certainly is one of them.

My guess is that you are implying that southern schools cheat and northern schools do not. You would be wrong if that is what you are implying.

 

[cyclonenum1]

Of course Iowa State's "voluntary" workouts in the summer are pretty much required - or at least absence is frowned upon.
However, I doubt that many schools require 8-10 hours of the players' time on Sundays after games, as has been alleged...I know Iowa State doesn't.
C'mon - some Michigan players were interviewed in the Free Press who didn't even know about the 20-hour rule. That raises some eyebrows...

So ISU does no film study after games?

Why is it so shocking that the players don't know this rule?

I think the fact they do not know what the rule is (which is no surprise) is part of the reason these kids told the reporter what they did. From what I understand, training room time (icing swollen joints, massages, etc.) does not count against the 20 hours. If a kid goes in on Sunday and watches 3 hours of game tape and spends 3 hours in the training room he would probably tell someone that he spent 6 hours on Sunday on FB...the reality is that by this rule...he spent only 3 hours in my example.