Matt and Miller getting pretty heated

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To that point Austen doesn't go from the best QB in the state to that without the defense making him. Certainly the throws were bad, but the coverage and scheme made it that way. Just don't see many orher fanbases use their own ineptness as means to take credit away from the opposition.

Disagree. He made terrible reads. On one he had Sed running wide open over the middle and instead decided to attempt a pass into coverage. On another, I can't remember who it was, but they were open on the post and air mailed one into the hands of a waiting sash. Yes, Iowa made the play but don't tell me Iowa had such a genious scheme that they were able to create 5 ints on their own. I won't sit here and say that we should have won, I'm not dilusional, but ISU helped Iowa plenty in that game. I also think Iowa's plan was made easier by the fact that they didn't have to worry about the run since it was evident we were not going to try and pound it down their throat.
 

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I think the one big point that was completely missed was Stanzi's play in the first half during both the ISU and UNI games. I will admit, Stanzi's play in the pocket hasn't been seen at Iowa since Brad Banks, but if the Hawks want to be players in the Big 10 they need Stanzi to play a more complete game and not just turn it on in the second half. Arizona is going to be a big game for Stanzi to be the player Hawk-fans (or at least Ken Miller) think he is.

Completely agree. He can't continue to come out of the gate like he has the first 2 weeks.
 

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Matt is actually making some good points for the Cyclones, and attempting to fight off some arrogant Hawks. I actually agree with what he has been saying.

Anyone who agrees with Perrault's take must really think we are awful.

Also, give credit to Iowa for forcing TOs. Their defense confused the heck out of him i'm guessing.
 

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When we bounce the ball off the defenders backs, it man we are unbable to loft the ball over the defender. Most of AAs passes go at the same level above ground. This makes it more difficult to complete touch passes.
 

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Anyone who agrees with Perrault's take must really think we are awful.

Also, give credit to Iowa for forcing TOs. Their defense confused the heck out of him i'm guessing.

You are going to sit here and tell me that wasn't an awful game?! If I had to judge our team on that performance (which I refuse to do) then yes we are awful, but I don't so it is all good. On to next week.

What I got out of the whole discussion is that he was not impressed with either team, and is not going to give Iowa godly praise for winning that game. I think anyone who didn't get that out of what he was saying is looking too much into it.
 

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Anyone who agrees with Perrault's take must really think we are awful.

Also, give credit to Iowa for forcing TOs. Their defense confused the heck out of him i'm guessing.

I actually said that Norm Parker played games with AA all game long. But AA still is the one who made the throws. He was awful...really disappointed me. I thought he was going to be smart with the ball and he wasn't...he had time in the pocket and just forced the ball. That's why AA lost the game for Iowa..4 picks...and once ARob fumbled...that was the 3rd drive that the D had to defend a short field....they were spent - and everyone in the building knew the game was over....that's why I'm not going to jump up and down at the 2nd half...game was over at 21-3. Everything else was garbage time.
 

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Perrault is a not stupid. He knows they can't come go on the radio today and talk about the game like all the other shows have done. It's absolutely contrived and Kenny has repeatedly called him on his statements all show long. Most clone fans would agree I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and ISU had won in the same way. Whether Perrault wants to admit or not he is no different than Marty. He's a d-bag and really no credibility when analyzing Iowa football.

If we just switched both team's performances on Saturday I would say the same thing. Any fan that wouldn't well, they need to take off the Cardinal/Gold glasses and step away from the Kool-Aid. Turnovers like that are a killer, and not a sign of a strong offense.
 
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Iowa is better than Iowa State, and they won 35-3 on Saturday fair and square. That's all that really matters for that game. That said, if the game was played ten times, I don't think we would see a pattern of Iowa being "35-3 better". Austen played his worst game as a Cyclone and we were -4 in turnovers.

It's a lot like how in 2005 ISU beat Iowa 23-3 largely because Iowa was -4 in turnovers. Iowa State was three touchdowns better that day, but both teams finished 7-5 because the teams were far more evenly matched than that score indicated. If that game had been played ten times I don't think there would be a pattern of ISU being "23-3 better" than the Hawks.

I'm not trying to take anything away from the Hawks. As I said, they beat us fair and square and they deserve all the bragging rights associated with that. I just don't think we can take from this one game that ISU is terrible and Iowa is all-world because we just don't know that.
 

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I wasn't aware that Iowa's job on Saturday was to impress Matt Perrault. Look, Stanzi played like **** in the first quarter and missed a 3 or 4 wide open receievers (especially on Sims second pick, Stanzi just air-mailed that one). Second, I don't think any Iowa fans are making them out to be world-beaters - this one isn't, and I know that Iowa had the advantages of some short fields and some questionable (in hindsight) decisions by the ISU coaching staff.

I also find it interesting that Matt can say that it was still a game at halftime (which I agree with) but refuses to give Stanzi any credit whatsoever for putting the game away in the 3rd with 1 more touchdown pass.

Your last statement is pretty laughable, and demonstrates an amazing lack of knowledge about Iowa football under Ferentz. Even in his 1st year, that team was playing much better football at the end of the season than the beginning. Last year was the same way, and even the 2007 team won 3 straight to get to 6-5 before the W. Michigan debacle. Even the most partisan Cyclone fan would admit that Iowa teams under Ferentz typically get better as the year goes on.


I agree they play better later in the season, when the suspended players get back in the lineup.
 

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Sorry but Matt saying the 2nd half stats "didn't matter" proves to me he really has no clue about what he "saw on Saturday" Even though Kenny seems to have a problem with me, I'm glad he was actually attempting to shutdown the mouth from the east coast. (and no I don't mean Marty)

This is actually a good thread recap of what was going on today, even Cyclone fans have to admit, Matt has lost alot of credibility with the venom he spewed today

http://hawkeyelounge.com/showthread.php?t=50564
 

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I actually said that Norm Parker played games with AA all game long. But AA still is the one who made the throws. He was awful...really disappointed me. I thought he was going to be smart with the ball and he wasn't...he had time in the pocket and just forced the ball. That's why AA lost the game for Iowa..4 picks...and once ARob fumbled...that was the 3rd drive that the D had to defend a short field....they were spent - and everyone in the building knew the game was over....that's why I'm not going to jump up and down at the 2nd half...game was over at 21-3. Everything else was garbage time.

I agree. If AA was throwing those picks due to a huge pass rush, I'd feel the game was a complete mismatch. But he had time and just made bad decisions. That's one player basically losing the game for ISU, not the team being outclassed. ISU's D IMO played well enough to win. Without AA's poor throws (and possibly some impatience on his and Herman's part), the D wouldn't have been put in such poor position and also wouldn't have spent so much time on the field. In those hot conditions, it's a given that whichever D spent a majority of time on the field was going to get wore down and the opposing O was going to pile up the points late.

Thing is, AA has proven that he can play decent ball. Correct those poor decisions and this is a totally different game. ISU can still win plenty of games left on the schedule.
 

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I love how it's "venom" I was spewing....boy - you haven't heard "venom" then.

Saying Iowa wasn't impressive at all is my opinion....I'm not looking for your approval. They pour'd it on to a tired defense in the 2nd half...congrats....now go beat Michigan, Penn. St and Ohio St and shut me up. Playing like that - i guarantee you won't
 
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I love how it's "venom" I was spewing....boy - you haven't heard "venom" then.

Saying Iowa wasn't impressive at all is my opinion....I'm not looking for your approval. They pour'd it on to a tired defense in the 2nd half...congrats....now go beat Michigan, Penn. St and Ohio St and shut me up. Playing like that - i guarantee you won't

Saying Iowa wasn't impressive isn't the problem. Making the asinine claim that "2nd half doesn't matter because it was 21-3 at half" is what makes you look like an absolute moron.

There is no way to describe the idiocy of your above statement. None. It's beyond words.
 

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Sorry but Matt saying the 2nd half stats "didn't matter" proves to me he really has no clue about what he "saw on Saturday" Even though Kenny seems to have a problem with me, I'm glad he was actually attempting to shutdown the mouth from the east coast. (and no I don't mean Marty)

This is actually a good thread recap of what was going on today, even Cyclone fans have to admit, Matt has lost alot of credibility with the venom he spewed today

Calling sportstalkmatt - Hawkeye Lounge

Matt is correct. Iowa's offense was relatively bad until they got up 21-3 and the defense was just gassed after that. Look at Iowa's ypc in the first half and yards per play. They weren't very good at all.

But their defense was great and gave Iowa the ball 3 times where the offense had to only go 20,25, and 30 yards for scores
 

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Saying Iowa wasn't impressive isn't the problem. Making the asinine claim that "2nd half doesn't matter because it was 21-3 at half" is what makes you look like an absolute moron.

There is no way to describe the idiocy of your above statement. None. It's beyond words.

I don't understand how you can't understand what he is saying. Iowa's numbers were average until that point. That is his point. Everybody going gogoo over Wegher fails to realize he got almost 70 of his yards when the game was already over
 

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my observations...as obvious and sad as some of yours...

1. "if we didn't have 6 turnovers, we would have won" -- no kidding???

2. if a frog had legs he wouldn't bump his *** when he hopped.

3. water is wet
 

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Iowa had 79 yards in the 1st , 110 in the 2nd, 112 in the 3rd, 150 yards in the 4th qtr.
 

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I love how it's "venom" I was spewing....boy - you haven't heard "venom" then.

Saying Iowa wasn't impressive at all is my opinion....I'm not looking for your approval. They pour'd it on to a tired defense in the 2nd half...congrats....now go beat Michigan, Penn. St and Ohio St and shut me up. Playing like that - i guarantee you won't

"Pour'd [sic] it on" is the key phrase here.

Tell me, Matt, when was the last time Iowa poured it on against Iowa State, regardless of how good or bad the Cyclones are?

And, by the way, I love all the hype Michigan is getting after beating overrated Notre Dame. So typical.
 

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I agree. If AA was throwing those picks due to a huge pass rush, I'd feel the game was a complete mismatch. But he had time and just made bad decisions. That's one player basically losing the game for ISU, not the team being outclassed. ISU's D IMO played well enough to win. Without AA's poor throws (and possibly some impatience on his and Herman's part), the D wouldn't have been put in such poor position and also wouldn't have spent so much time on the field. In those hot conditions, it's a given that whichever D spent a majority of time on the field was going to get wore down and the opposing O was going to pile up the points late.

Thing is, AA has proven that he can play decent ball. Correct those poor decisions and this is a totally different game. ISU can still win plenty of games left on the schedule.

Why do you think he had time? Hint: It's not because the O-Line was giving him superb protection.
 

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I don't understand how you can't understand what he is saying. Iowa's numbers were average until that point. That is his point. Everybody going gogoo over Wegher fails to realize he got almost 70 of his yards when the game was already over

If all it takes is average numbers to take a 21-3 lead, what's the point of beating your chest on the radio about it?

They did what had to be done to take the lead. Then they started clicking and scored twice more. He sounds like a bitter little third grader.