Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

[cyclonenum1]

Could have predicted this thread yesterday. I really don't know what you want the guy to do. If you would rather be but in a position where there are 4 guys on the floor so be it. He talked about it extensively on the post game show and how he thought about it. Not much that can be done.

This is the biggest BS defense of the reinstatement out there...total BS.

Like I have said, I really had no opinion on the suspension or the reinstatement itself but I do have these observations:

-Those that are fans of McDermott will support what he does to the death...even if he changes his mind 180 degrees in a couple of weeks.

-Clearly, McDermott is feeling the heat. Self preservation has kicked in and having the courage of your convictions is gone.

-All of this "the team wanted him back" talk makes him look totally impotent as the coach.

 

[HOTDON]

One thing is for, Mac's "man of integrity" image is gone. Now mind you, I don't mind having a snake as a head coach. But at least one that can win.

WOW. Maybe just a little too far on that one?

 

[cmoore_23]

i love how no one has made a comment on my post because more then likely the same people that are ripping on mac for playin colvin would be ripping on him if he didnt and we lost by 10-20 points

 

[Cyclonestate78]

This is the biggest BS defense of the reinstatement out there...total BS.

Like I have said, I really had no opinion on the suspension or the reinstatement itself but I do have these observations:

-Those that are fans of McDermott will support what he does to the death...even if he changes his mind 180 degrees in a couple of weeks.

-Clearly, McDermott is feeling the heat. Self preservation has kicked in and having the courage of your convictions is gone.

-All of this "the team wanted him back" talk makes him look totally impotent as the coach.

This. We have a great arena we can sell to recruits, a great practice facility, some solid talent on the team, a great academic institution, etc.... The one thing we don't have is a LEADER. I am sorry to say but I can't help but think of Chizik at this point. A guy with all of the hype coming in who has had literally no success and when his integrity comes into question he folds. This is the crap that we don't need going on.

 

[RideRdie4life]

Good lord, if you can't understand that...I'm sorry. Moving on...

Lets us just stop here! This seems like a logical place for people to stop acting like they know all the answers and should be coaching a D1 basketball team from the privacy of their home office or couch rather than someone with all the right credentials.

 

[Cyclonepride]

This. We have a great arena we can sell to recruits, a great practice facility, some solid talent on the team, a great academic institution, etc.... The one thing we don't have is a LEADER. I am sorry to say but I can't help but think of Chizik at this point. A guy with all of the hype coming in who has had literally no success and when his integrity comes into question he folds. This is the crap that we don't need going on.

Not even comparable, on really any level.

 

[ISUFan22]

Not even comparable, on really any level.

I agree that it's a horrid comparison. It's all dependent on how the players look at this. I can certainly see why he lifted the suspension early. I can see how it could cause issues down the road.

I have many concerns for ISU MBB right now - but this isn't super high on my list.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I agree that it's a horrid comparison. It's all dependent on how the players look at this. I can certainly see why he lifted the suspension early. I can see how it could cause issues down the road.

I have many concerns for ISU MBB right now - but this isn't super high on my list.

Yeah, I would have preferred to play with 7, consequences be damned, but I can see why he chose to go this route, and he and the players know exactly what Colvin was doing, both before and after his suspension. I'll hope that they got that one right.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

i love how no one has made a comment on my post because more then likely the same people that are ripping on mac for playin colvin would be ripping on him if he didnt and we lost by 10-20 points

I would have taken a 30 point loss in stride had Covin not played. The bottom line is when your team hasn't been performing going on 4 years now, the players are running the program instead of the coach, strangely we have players bailing left and right from the program, and our coach will allow excuses for his decisions because he is afraid to take a stand and stick to it........ I'm sorry but that is just unacceptable. Why are we taking votes from the players on what the staff should decide? Will we now be taking votes on who gets to play? When they should practice? If they practice? There is an obvious lack of control on the program and GMAC lovers talk about him staying on to keep stability in the program? You guys think this program is stable under GMAC right now? What a joke.

 

[CycloneErik]

Yeah, I would have preferred to play with 7, consequences be damned, but I can see why he chose to go this route, and he and the players know exactly what Colvin was doing, both before and after his suspension. I'll hope that they got that one right.

This is where I'm at. I was absolutely for playing with 7. I suspect that Colvin doesn't play if Diante doesn't get in foul trouble. I don't know that I'm correct, because I'm not someone to be consulted on that sort of thing.

I understand the decision. It wasn't my personal favorite, but I understand it.

 

[mowheat]

People, is Macs playing Colvin that debatable. We have what 8 scholarship players available. The kid wasnt arrested for public intox or on weapons charges or smoking marijuana. He had an attitude problem..geesh, and that is something that can be corrected quickly regardless of what Mac originally said.He doesnt need to sit him out for 2 and 1/2 weeks. Mac played him because he had shown major improvement in his attitude,he saw it and the players saw it so he suited up. Albeit earlier then Mac said he was going to let him. If we dont make the NCAA tourney (not looking like it right now) this year or next year, not sure Mac will be around here anyways.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Not even comparable, on really any level.

Are you sure about that? They certainly both like to grandstand and make BIG comments in the media and then when it comes time to do what you said you were going to do you flip flop like a politician in an election based on what is best for you and not the team? Please explain how this isn't one in the same?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Are you sure about that? They certainly both like to grandstand and make BIG comments in the media and then when it comes time to do what you said you were going to do you flip flop like a politician in an election based on what is best for you and not the team? Please explain how this isn't one in the same?

Yes, very sure, thank you.

I haven't heard any grandstand comments out of McDermott, and McDermott has at least two key qualities that exclude him from being in the same conversation: he wants to be here, and he is loyal to ISU.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Yes, very sure, thank you.

I haven't heard any grandstand comments out of McDermott, and McDermott has at least two key qualities that exclude him from being in the same conversation: he wants to be here, and he is loyal to ISU.

His quotes in the Rag when he suspended Colvin weren't grandstanding comments?

"He doesn't understand what an honor it is to put on the Iowa State uniform and until he understands that he won't wear it."

I would say that is a pretty strong statement by a head coach to the public about one of his players. To then turn around and put it to a player vote to allow him out of the suspension that he spoke so strongly about just so it wouldn't appear that he went back on his word? Yikes.

 

[ISUFan22]

Are you sure about that? They certainly both like to grandstand and make BIG comments in the media and then when it comes time to do what you said you were going to do you flip flop like a politician in an election based on what is best for you and not the team? Please explain how this isn't one in the same?

This needs to stop, now. It's completely ****** to draw comparisons between the two. Chizik did not treat his players well at all...especially those he did not recruit. Slow your roll on this one...it's baseless.

 

[CYdTracked]

His mistake was putting a timeline on the suspension. If it had just been indefinite then no one would care right now. Also, say we lost by 2 last night and DG was in foul trouble for most of the game. How many would be here ripping Mac for not playing Colvin then? It's sort of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation because fans here want us to win and want the players who can help us win available but at the same time when we do that and lose then all the sudden we care about "integrity." We can't have it both ways right now. Last night was a win we needed badly if we wanted to keep the ship afloat for postseason hopes.

 

[Cyclonepride]

His mistake was putting a timeline on the suspension. If it had just been indefinite then no one would care right now. Also, say we lost by 2 last night and DG was in foul trouble for most of the game. How many would be here ripping Mac for not playing Colvin then? It's sort of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation because fans here want us to win and want the players who can help us win available but at the same time when we do that and lose then all the sudden we care about "integrity." We can't have it both ways right now. Last night was a win we needed badly if we wanted to keep the ship afloat for postseason hopes.

I don't agree with that line of thinking. If the timeline had been indefinite, and he had reinstated Colvin after Lucca left, the outcry would have been identical, because it would have been obvious that the suspension was lifted due to Lucca's defection.

 

[cycloneworld]

Could have predicted this thread yesterday. I really don't know what you want the guy to do. If you would rather be but in a position where there are 4 guys on the floor so be it. He talked about it extensively on the post game show and how he thought about it. Not much that can be done.

I was fine with suiting him in case of an emergency but we were no where near the point of playing with 4 guys on the floor last night. Hell, Colvin even took Buckley's minutes late in the game when Buckley was one of the guys out there giving effort.

 

[moo-u]

I'm not sure this was a no win situation, but....if it TRULY was a no win situation,
then this would have been one of the MOST important times in Coach's career
to have taken the high road.

Here's the thing, if you have to lose, at least you want to preserve your integrity,

no?

peace.

moo.

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in a way i see your point.. but then your going to have the people that if he doesnt play him and for some reason we lose by oh idk 10-20 points.. people are going to call for his head.. it really was a lose lose for mac

 

[clone4lyfe]

Even rapist and drug dealers get time off for good behavior and Colvin did nothing close to breaking the law. If the kid has shown he's learned his lesson and owned up to his mistakes then cut him a little slack. When the suspension first was put in place there was a lot of talk on here about it being too much. The only people that know what is truly going on with the program and the strides that Colvin has made since his suspension are the players and the coaches so why not make the decision about Colvin as a "Family" which if you listen to any of the interviews lately almost every player has talked about how they are coming together as a "Family". This doesn't mean Mac doesn't have control over his team, it means he's respecting the thoughts and decisions of his other family members and allowing there input on the situation. This isn't JV or Varsity high school ball fellas, it's college ball. There's less at stake for both the players and the coaches in high school so yeah a coach can be more hard headed and stick to his guns. In college you want to show respect towards these young men and let them know their opinion matters and Mac did that last night by listening to the players request to have Chris back.

I think all of you that are constantly on here ******** about our bball program or our whole atheltic department need to just shut it down and stop "Acting" like your a fan. Go cheer for another team that does everything the way you want it done or go up and apply for a college coaching or AD job yourself since you find it so easy to make all the right decisions!