Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake

[Tre4ISU]

Again, who is running the team, the players or the coach?

So when February rolls around and Mac never had Colvin suit up and play you wouldn't have have complained when the word comes out the whole team wanted him back in right? BS. If people heard that the whole damn team wanted Colvin suited back up and playing and if Mac hadn't done it, the same people would have been all over him. When your star player who has been as loyal to this Univerity as anyone I can remember as far as Cyclone athletics comes to you and makes that statement, you have to consider that pretty strong. He didn't come and say "I think he is ready to come back." He said there was no choice. In my mind, there really wasn't a choice either. I also don't buy the opinion we should have suited him and used him only if there was an injury or foul trouble. You know that isn't going to happen nor should it. If he can suit he should be ready to play.

When Mac said he didn't care if it cost him a couple games, he had 2 more guys that could play in CCs place. He doesn't have that anymore. Now it is a matter of having some sort of sub at the 2 spot. When guys get tired that is when they get hurt. there is absolutely no one capable of playing the 2 effectively outside of Scotty.

 

[Cyclonepride]

It's hard to believe that those complaining about the on-court discipline of McDermott's teams would use Morgan's teams to prove their case.

 

[akclone]

Morgan came in with a program that was in much better shape, and tore it apart. McDermott was left with Morgan's mess.

How did he tear it apart? We had 2 NBA guards on the team before they fired Morgan. Blame Pollard and Geoffrey for tearing down the program, not Morgan.

 

[CycloneErik]

It's hard to believe that those complaining about the on-court discipline of McDermott's teams would use Morgan's teams to prove their case.

It's pretty funny, though. Got to give it that.

 

[Tre4ISU]

So you are okay with playing just three guards these next couple of weeks? I might side with you if we had some walk-ons that weren't redshirting, but we don't have anyone else right now. Who cares how much harm it would to do Garrett, Christopherson, and Buckley to have to log such minutes. I guess it must be easier to coach from your couch when you don't have to worry about your players.

I agree. I just LOVE how people now talk about integrity and principles now that it fits their arguement. A week ago no one cared about those, we needed to win. Now, however, that is another thing to rip on Mac about so now they matter. What a joke some of you posters are. Notably:RossHallHero

 

[PGreen ISU '92]

As disappointed as I was to hear about Lucca Staiger’s sudden departure from the team it was nothing compared to the disappointment I felt after learning Chris Colvin’s suspension had been lifted prior to February (1st), the date Coach McDermott initially set. In my opinion, this is the wrong message to send to the team, all student athletes, the student body, and all of the alumni of Iowa State University.

 

[Tre4ISU]

How did he tear it apart? We had 2 NBA guards on the team before they fired Morgan. Blame Pollard and Geoffrey for tearing down the program, not Morgan.

We were barely a .500 team with 2 NBA guards. Is that good?

 

[chuckd4735]

Uh, yes they did. We had winning records in all 3 years under Morgan. This stuff isn't that hard to look up.

I'm aware he had winning records, but in his last year he had a team that HIGHLY underachieved and disappointed. In his final year, Morgan lead that team to a horrible 6-10 Big 12 record one year after getting to the second round of the NCAA tournament.

 

[chuckd4735]

How did he tear it apart? We had 2 NBA guards on the team before they fired Morgan. Blame Pollard and Geoffrey for tearing down the program, not Morgan.

Please tell me you're kidding!

 

[CycloneErik]

We were barely a .500 team with 2 NBA guards. Is that good?

I believe that some have proven that I love losing, so I would say it wasn't good enough. We could have thrown some of those games in order to get to a more acceptable level.

 

[RossHallHero]

So when February rolls around and Mac never had Colvin suit up and play you wouldn't have have complained when the word comes out the whole team wanted him back in right? BS. If people heard that the whole damn team wanted Colvin suited back up and playing and if Mac hadn't done it, the same people would have been all over him.

I don't mean this as a slight, but how old are you?

There is absolutely nothing in the coaching leadership manual about caving in to the wants of the players regarding discipline.

He's been a coach for a long time and if he doesn't have the ability to make this decision on his own and stick to it, we hired the wrong guy.

He lead us to believe he had the stomach for it, but he was lying.

 

[Tre4ISU]

As disappointed as I was to hear about Lucca Staiger’s sudden departure from the team it was nothing compared to the disappointment I felt after learning Chris Colvin’s suspension had been lifted prior to February (1st), the date Coach McDermott initially set. In my opinion, this is the wrong message to send to the team, all student athletes, the student body, and all of the alumni of Iowa State University.

I would agree but the circumstances are pretty ridiculous. Since the time of the suspension coach lost two guys at the same spot. I think the team understands that CC would not be playing if we didn't need a warm body. Basically Macs options were these. Take a bunch of heat and lift the suspension, or pull a redshirt for someone to play 3 games or so and completely waste a year for them. You would have found a way to ***** about that too.

 

[ISUFan22]

Yeah, the guys who have done nothing wrong would absolutely HATE that playing time.

Solid argument.

Apparently all players were completely in favor of Colvin coming back last night...so this point is out the window.

 

[akclone]

We were barely a .500 team with 2 NBA guards. Is that good?

It's not good but its better than Mcdermott has accomplished. And 2 years before that we played in the post season. McDermotts best finish was his first year, tied for 7th with Morgans players. We havent finished better than 10th since. Tell me how you think the program has been progressing.

 

[akclone]

Please tell me you're kidding!

Well, they fired Morgan and we haven't had a winning season since.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I don't mean this as a slight, but how old are you?

There is absolutely nothing in the coaching leadership manual about caving in to the wants of the players regarding discipline.

He's been a coach for a long time and if he doesn't have the ability to make this decision on his own and stick to it, we hired the wrong guy.

He lead us to believe he had the stomach for it, but he was lying.

Funny you never talk about your past coaching experiences. So you would rather have Mac go against the whole team. That sounds like a great idea. The team knew that we had no depth at the guard. Did you want a redshirt pulled ruining a year of eligibility for someone? There was going to be another player playing last night. Pick your player.

 

[PGreen ISU '92]

He was aware of his quote...It wasn't about winning or losing. It was about the team, which he had a discussion with each player. They ALL wanted Colvin to play.

KG -- I have more respect for you than anybody on this Board! However, this should not have been a team decision.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Morgan came in with a program that was in much better shape, and tore it apart. McDermott was left with Morgan's mess.

Seriously? ISU basketball was a national laughingstock after the pictures and firing of LE.

Did Morgan have some talent to use? Yes, but he was also the guy that helped recruit Stinson and Blalock, so if you think the program was in "much better shape", who do you think should get some credit for that?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah, the guys who have done nothing wrong would absolutely HATE that playing time.

Solid argument.

That's a pretty dumb argument when those guys are part of the whole team that wanted to bring him back. If those three have to split all of every game, the last 4-5 games would be brutal. They would be so burned out it's not even funny.

 

[Ames]

This thread makes me want to puke. Clearly most of you have never met Mac.