Good Post.
Had he decided to lift Red Shirts, this thread would be ablut how he ruined the development of a young player and hurt his career when he could have just played Colvin...
Playing Colvin - Mac's biggest mistake
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Good Post.
Had he decided to lift Red Shirts, this thread would be ablut how he ruined the development of a young player and hurt his career when he could have just played Colvin...
I appreciate the explanation and can see where you are coming from with that. I guess for me personally it isn't a huge hit on his integrity. We are talking about a guy who was suspended because of his attitude. This isn't a Pierre Pierce situation, or even a Brian Ferentz situation. It was strictly a situation where his actions to the team were detrimental. Not letting him play last night to me would have been much more detrimental than holding him out. The reason he was suspended was to prove a point, I think that point was proven. I can understand people don't agree with it. What I don't understand is how big of deal it has become.
Yeah, you're right. It makes perfectly good sense to let the players decide if the punishment should be lifted.
Afterall, that's what they're here for. To coach this basketball team. They should have input on suspensions, playing time, style of play, everything. They are the team, right? It affects them the most, right? I mean, it's the team's style of play, so it should be the team's decision.
Every person who is OK with this because the team decided to lift the punishment should also realize that it's this same team that had absolutely NO LEADERS on it to police their own in the first place. This team couldn't keep a true freshman in line and let him know what's acceptable and what's not.
If this team that Mac is relying on to make his coaching decisions had any leaders, the Colvin situation would've been nipped in the bud by the leaders of the team far before it required a suspension.
The emperor has no clothes.
Copy and paste this in for my exact thoughts. Great Post! The only thing i would do is cut back on the vulgarities a bit. Other than that AGREE 100%. Sanity is a good thing. Again playing with 7 is not an option. Not in High School, not in Non- Conference, and certainly not in the Big 12. It would have been an embarrassment, and not fair to the rest of this team, which I still am proud of to have as Cyclones.
I think the other thing that keeps getting missed is the team aspect. How many times have any of you who played organized sports been "punished" for whatever action of one team member whether that is re-running a drill, running extra sprints or even losing because a star player was either suspended or held out of competition?
What lesson does the one team member take from that? How about "I won't do that again, everyone is ****** at me" or "They are going to kick my ***."
What lesson do the other team members take from that? How about "I won't let him or anyone else do that again" or "I better make sure next time it is not me or I will get my *** kicked."
The military gets this and regularly uses group punishment during training so the unit gets that they need to be self policing and that the actions of one can very negatively affect the welfare of the many.
The upshot is that McD did have a choice and if the team felt that they lost a game they shouldn't have due to CC's suspension, CC would definitely learn from it if he EVER had any chance to learn the lesson. The rest of the team would learn about consequences as well.
Sorry if I am preaching. I will shut up now. Have a great day and let's hope for the best this weekend.
What lesson does the one team member take from that? How about "I won't do that again, everyone is ****** at me" or "They are going to kick my ***."
What lesson do the other team members take from that? How about "I won't let him or anyone else do that again" or "I better make sure next time it is not me or I will get my *** kicked."
The military gets this and regularly uses group punishment during training so the unit gets that they need to be self policing and that the actions of one can very negatively affect the welfare of the many.
The upshot is that McD did have a choice and if the team felt that they lost a game they shouldn't have due to CC's suspension, CC would definitely learn from it if he EVER had any chance to learn the lesson. The rest of the team would learn about consequences as well.
Sorry if I am preaching. I will shut up now. Have a great day and let's hope for the best this weekend.
While those are all **** porr excuses in the case that rules were broken and I disagreed with that argument from Deace, as of right now, all the info saying that those rules were broken was made by a transfer. There were supposedly more sources but none were named and the names that were thrown out are likely disgruntled players. There is an investigation into this which should be concluding soon and hopefully there are some facts associated with that. It should be noted that situation stemmed from a Freep article noting Tony Clemons as the main source. Tony Clemons was a highly rated recruit who frankly wasn't that good and transferred out to Colorado last year. Not someone I would hold in high credibility. I am not saying there was nothing wrongfully done, I am just saying right now the credibility of it seems to thin.
Having said all of that, those are pretty different situations but I agree with your point on Deace. He is biased against us and does hold himself morally higher than us.
In all candor, I can understand why fans have said that by playing Colvin Coach Mac lost his values. I can understand why fans of Iowa State basketball are disappointed so far in the teams record. I can understand why Hilton for the most part has gone to a low humm (exception was Texas). But what I don't understand is the total lack of compasssion for Greg, his staff, and the member of this team that are playing their *** off for ISU fans.
Wouldn't it just be easier to lineup one by one and kick Coach Mac in the nuts? I mean c'mon, how many coaches have you ever heard of that has had to put up with even a small percentage of crap Greg has had to deal with? What has transpired this season is nothing short of unbelievable.
The thread deals with playing Colvin, so I'll focus on that. Are all of you out there so "high and almighty" (and I'll add inflexible) that you NEVER change your mind on something? Good lord, we head to Lubbock with 7 players (without Colvin). Talk about a potential embarrassing situation. Say we have to play four guys, and ESPN talks about how there is a 5th on the bench, but under "coaches suspension" so he doesn't play. How frickin stupid does that makes us look like?
I go to every home game without fail, and I drive a long way to do so. When Coach Mac suspended Colvin for the Duke outburts along with other total crap, I supported that move. I then have watched Colvins actions as he has been serving his suspension, and he has become vocal and positive. Those were the changes Coach Mac desired to obtain. Maybe just maybe, Chris is a quick learner. If so, and he now maintains the right attitude and approach to the game, the suspension (although shortened) has served the purpose it was intended for. Combine that with the fact that Greg let the team vote, tells me the team knows more about what is going on than we do as a fan base.
For all you Mac haters, keep pushing, you'll probably get what you want. But for the love of God, have some compassion for what he has gone through. I bet the better number of you had it happened to you would have folded your tent and walked away.
Coach Mac: Until you step down, you are MY coach.........best wishes
Wouldn't it just be easier to lineup one by one and kick Coach Mac in the nuts? I mean c'mon, how many coaches have you ever heard of that has had to put up with even a small percentage of crap Greg has had to deal with? What has transpired this season is nothing short of unbelievable.
The thread deals with playing Colvin, so I'll focus on that. Are all of you out there so "high and almighty" (and I'll add inflexible) that you NEVER change your mind on something? Good lord, we head to Lubbock with 7 players (without Colvin). Talk about a potential embarrassing situation. Say we have to play four guys, and ESPN talks about how there is a 5th on the bench, but under "coaches suspension" so he doesn't play. How frickin stupid does that makes us look like?
I go to every home game without fail, and I drive a long way to do so. When Coach Mac suspended Colvin for the Duke outburts along with other total crap, I supported that move. I then have watched Colvins actions as he has been serving his suspension, and he has become vocal and positive. Those were the changes Coach Mac desired to obtain. Maybe just maybe, Chris is a quick learner. If so, and he now maintains the right attitude and approach to the game, the suspension (although shortened) has served the purpose it was intended for. Combine that with the fact that Greg let the team vote, tells me the team knows more about what is going on than we do as a fan base.
For all you Mac haters, keep pushing, you'll probably get what you want. But for the love of God, have some compassion for what he has gone through. I bet the better number of you had it happened to you would have folded your tent and walked away.
Coach Mac: Until you step down, you are MY coach.........best wishes
Given he's lost 4 players the past 2 weeks or so, he probably is desperate. That much is understood.
It is very similar and both coaches were wrong. They both said they were going to do something and went back on their word.
Kelly needed Blount to help win a Pac 10 championship so he caved in and Mac needed Colvin to help win B12 games and he caved.
Colvin didn't punch and opposing player, go after his own teammates, try to go after fans in the stands and need to be pulled off the court/field by coaches/players/staff.
Duh... :wink:
McD made a decision. Then wanted to backtrack without making himself look bad. So he goes to the team and makes them vote.
Good thing the team voted like Greg wanted them too. Otherwise McD might have gone to Pollard and asked him to decide. And if Pollard had said no, he could have always gone to the student body and had them vote. Surely, the student body would say yes to brining Colvin back. If the student body said yes, who is poor McD to say no to the voice of Iowa State University?
Good thing the team voted like Greg wanted them too. Otherwise McD might have gone to Pollard and asked him to decide. And if Pollard had said no, he could have always gone to the student body and had them vote. Surely, the student body would say yes to brining Colvin back. If the student body said yes, who is poor McD to say no to the voice of Iowa State University?
Well, what Blount did wasn't against his team directly. That was more of an assault issue. I see them as pretty different I guess.
Except the team and Mac are the ones that know everything that went on. nice try though.
Wrong answer. He is driving home a point. GMAC is the coach, the leader, the CEO, the one who was hired and paid a large amount of money to be the guy making the decisions for this program. Do we really want a coach that delegates his responsibility for making decisions for this program to his players by having the team vote? So do we now have a vote on how long practice should be? Wind sprints or no wind sprints today? Do we practice free throws? Rebounding drills? Who should we recruit?
The point is really that when you start letting the players make the decisions that you as the head coach should be making it is the first step in losing control of the team. Pretty soon everything becomes a democracy. Compound that with the fact that the players now know that because of the teams lack of depth GMAC has shown that he will not follow through with the punishments that he has specifically stated. Thus they know that they are pretty much free to do whatever they want with no regard for any disciplinary action because the coach has already shown them that he won't follow through.
Will that happen? Not necessarily. Has it opened the door for that? Yes.
I disagree. Blount didn't play against against Cal, USC, Stanford, Arizona State, Arizona, or anyone else in the Pac 10 other than Oregon State in the season finale. An I don't think they needed him, as James had over 155 rushing
Another complete failure of a post by you. Count me as not surprised.
You have no evidence that the players "decided" that the suspension should be lifted. That is conjured up in your own head.
McDermott got input from the players, absolutely yes. As any good coach would.
The players made the decision: absolutely not, from everything I've read.
