Shut up about Wayne Morgan

[ddisu]

The product on the floor was not what got Morgan fired.

JP would disagree somewhat with that, not the only reason but part of it.

"We informed him that we were making a change in the leadership of our men's basketball program, effective immediately," Pollard said.

He said the firing came after poor performance from the program, but that there were other reasons.

"The fact that we didn't make the NCAA tournament or the NIT contributed to this decision, but I want to emphasize it clearly is not the only reason for making this decision," he sai

 

[CYKOFAN]

I thought it was reported in the media that JP didn't lobby for an NIT game since he was firing Morgan. I thought we had a decent chance for a home game in the NIT based on the winning record, some good wins, and the fact that the NIT loves us for the way we fill up Hilton for NIT games. Pretty unfair to use not getting to the NCAA or NIT for contributing to the Morgan firing if the a.d. didn't lobby for a game. And there was just a couple of bad eggs under Morgan (actually George is the only one I can think of), by far most of his players were good kids. And how can you blame Morgan if Stinnett is having problems 4 years after Morgan recruited him. Maybe Morgan would have been good for Stinnett and easier to relate to than Dana Altman.

 

[CyBobby]

JP would disagree somewhat with that, not the only reason but part of it.

"We informed him that we were making a change in the leadership of our men's basketball program, effective immediately," Pollard said.

He said the firing came after poor performance from the program, but that there were other reasons.

"The fact that we didn't make the NCAA tournament or the NIT contributed to this decision, but I want to emphasize it clearly is not the only reason for making this decision," he sai

Those jp quotes seem pretty darned accurate to me...I also thought that Jamie said something like..."I want the games in late february to mean something not just playing out the schedule". I'm paraphrasing, but I seem to remember JP saying that was another reason to can Wayne Morgan.

 

[dcxme1183]

I am not remembering anything incorrectly. That team had a 16-12 overall record (7-9 in B12) prior to being selected for the NIT. In today's NIT...that is not even close to a guarantee of being selected. We ended up winning 20 games because we won 4 games in the NIT.
Had we not been invited (which is the case I am making in today's NIT), we would have finished 16-12.

No, you ARE remembering incorrectly.
Iowa State College Basketball - Cyclones Schedule - Men's Basketball - ESPN

We finished the regular season but 16-11, but also managed a win in the Big12 tourney. So we went into the NIT with a 17-12 record. Last year's NIT had three teams with 17 or fewer wins so I'm not sure what you think the current standard is...

 

[isuno1fan]

No, you ARE remembering incorrectly.
Iowa State College Basketball - Cyclones Schedule - Men's Basketball - ESPN

We finished the regular season but 16-11, but also managed a win in the Big12 tourney. So we went into the NIT with a 17-12 record. Last year's NIT had three teams with 17 or fewer wins so I'm not sure what you think the current standard is...

So 3 out of 32? Thanks for helping to make my point that WM's last team would have been unlikely to make the NIT in this day and age.

The old standard used to be if you were a "name school" (BCS school), a .500 overall record put you in the NIT if you had a good fan following.

No longer the case.

 

[ddisu]

So 3 out of 32? Thanks for helping to make my point that WM's last team would have been unlikely to make the NIT in this day and age.

The old standard used to be if you were a "name school" (BCS school), a .500 overall record put you in the NIT if you had a good fan following.

No longer the case.

Well its good to know that a team 5 games above 500 would have a tougher time to make the NIT this year. What would say a 13-19 team get you? Maybe Gmac would have more success at ISU 6 years ago. Wait, you had to be a 500 team. Haven't had that success in the Gmac era.

 

[RhoadsRage]

So 3 out of 32? Thanks for helping to make my point that WM's last team would have been unlikely to make the NIT in this day and age.

The old standard used to be if you were a "name school" (BCS school), a .500 overall record put you in the NIT if you had a good fan following.

No longer the case.

The point is, they made it in then and haven't sniffed postseason since. Or even a conference tourney win for that matter!!!

 

[dcxme1183]

So 3 out of 32? Thanks for helping to make my point that WM's last team would have been unlikely to make the NIT in this day and age.

The old standard used to be if you were a "name school" (BCS school), a .500 overall record put you in the NIT if you had a good fan following.

No longer the case.

Fair enough. I'm not saying they'd be a shoe-in, but a .586 record (better than 6 teams in last year's NIT) and coming from a major conference is still probably decent enough to warrant consideration. You make it sound like they wouldn't stand a chance today, and that's just not the case.

And since when is 2004 the "old standard" and only 6 years later the "new" one? The NIT has been around since the late 30's. What changed in the last 6 years to make it more competitive? The only thing I can think of is that the NCAA took it over. And what did they do? Well, the dropped the requirement of a .500+ record in 2006 for starters.

National Invitation Tournament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That doesn't sound like the criteria got tougher...

 

[BryceC]

So 3 out of 32? Thanks for helping to make my point that WM's last team would have been unlikely to make the NIT in this day and age.

The old standard used to be if you were a "name school" (BCS school), a .500 overall record put you in the NIT if you had a good fan following.

No longer the case.

That team had an RPI of 56. It would make the NIT now.

 

[dcxme1183]

That team had an RPI of 56. It would make the NIT now.

Silly, Bryce. He's impervious to facts. We can also ignore the fact that they beat #14 at the end of January, #11 mid-February and then took #14 to overtime on the road before losing by one in late February...

 

[RhoadsRage]

Silly, Bryce. He's impervious to facts. We can also ignore the fact that they beat #14 at the end of January, #11 mid-February and then took #14 to overtime on the road before losing by one in late February...

But he's still not a better coach than MAC.

 

[hursts]

Will posters stop bringing up Wayne Morgan's mediocre career? We are all frustrated with this season but using revisionist history about how good of a coach he was is not helping anyone. Don't forget his downfalls, violations and a majority of ISU fans calling for change when he was coach.

But this thread is not to rip Morgan - it is simply me begging you to stop bringing him up. We need to focus on Mcdermott and/or the future. Bringing up Morgan over and over again is like going through your ex girlfriends facebook photos and fuming at pictures of her kissing her new boyfriend. Don't do it to yourself - especially in a public forum.

If you think Morgan's career record at ISU was mediocre I suggest you check your ISU hoops history. He was head coach during one of the best three year stretches in ISU history. I would take an NIT Final Four and a NCAA tournament appearance right about now. Not to mention road wins at KU, Texas, and a seven game Big 12 conference winning streak.

 

[HHWalters]

Not to mention road wins at KU, Texas, and a seven game Big 12 conference winning streak.

Does McDoormat even have seven Big 12 wins?

 

[RhoadsRage]

Does McDoormat even have seven Big 12 wins?

Total, barely......one season, NO!!!

 

[BigBake]

I will never be happy or content with anything about the NIT.

 

[twojman]

I will never be happy or content with anything about the NIT.

Great, we have barely qualified for the Big 12 tourney the last couple years and those are supposed to be automatic berths.

 

[alarson]

The dumbest thing about some posters in this, is the comparison to Wayne Morgan, and somehow using McDermott's lack of success as proving that firing Wayne Morgan was a bad idea. The two have nothing to do with each other. There are two decisions. Whether to fire, and then once you decide that, Who to hire.

Will the hiring of McDermott ultimately be a failure? Probably. Does that change anything about whether or not the decision to fire WM was a good one? No. All it means is that the decision to hire mcdermott was the wrong one (even if it seemed like a good one at the time)

 

[cyclonenate]

Mediocre career? I'd like to see you coach..

 

[StLouisClone]

On a few different occasions, I've talked to about eight Mizzou and SLU fans here in St. Louis. Most of them were not aware of how bad GMac's record was or how many years he's been at ISU already. Once I told them his overall record and record in the Big 12, they all unanimously agreed that he has to go. They say that Mizzou kept Quinn Snyder way too long. It only got worse in the latter years.

SLU fired Brad Soderberg after 5 season and an 80-74 overall record and 42-38 conference record. His fifth season in 2007 was actually his best season with a 20-13 record, but they still let him go because they didn't make a post-season tourney.

Both schools are happy with the changes they made. You just can't accept mediocrity or that is all you're going to get.

 

[hursts]

On a few different occasions, I've talked to about eight Mizzou and SLU fans here in St. Louis. Most of them were not aware of how bad GMac's record was or how many years he's been at ISU already. Once I told them his overall record and record in the Big 12, they all unanimously agreed that he has to go. They say that Mizzou kept Quinn Snyder way too long. It only got worse in the latter years.

SLU fired Brad Soderberg after 5 season and an 80-74 overall record and 42-38 conference record. His fifth season in 2007 was actually his best season with a 20-13 record, but they still let him go because they didn't make a post-season tourney.

Both schools are happy with the changes they made. You just can't accept mediocrity or that is all you're going to get.

This is the best post I have read in a long time on this board. And with McDermott we aren't even getting medicority we are getting to be near cellar dwellars in the Big 12.