Yep...but his leash is about as short as you can possibly get. He's pretty much on double secret probation.
One reason to make a move ths year rather than waiting.
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Yep...but his leash is about as short as you can possibly get. He's pretty much on double secret probation.
So people should then just keep giving money then regardless if the athletic department listens to you or not? People are just supposed to write a check and then be told to "deal with it" when this team shows no true signs of improvement in 4 years?
Give it to Women's b-ball or soccer, or Wrestling. There are plenty of athletes at Iowa State that would appreciate it.
I agree and to expand I will say this: 3-13 or losing records speaks for itself to Pollard. If those records don't make him make a move he must have enough reason within himself to believe Mac can somehow get it done. If he goes 5-11 next year it won't matter what our attendance is, Mac will be gone. I am just saying record will push Mac out, not attendance. Do you really think if he goes 9-7 and to the dance with an attendance of 6,000 Pollard will get rid of him? Do you think if he goes 3-13 again with an attendance of 15,000 Pollard will keep him? I certainly don't. Pollard wants to compete. The record and success of the team as well as his confidence in Mac will determine when or if he goes, not attendance alone. You not giving money to the basketball program or not going to games will next year will have no effect on this season or the move that Pollard makes. Yes, they may start of next year a pathetic attendance and Pollard may become interested, however if we win 20 games and go to the dance that attendance is irrelevant. On the flip side if there is a small attendance and Mac does poorly again, Pollard will not look to the attendance as the determining factor. Of course, my first scenerio won't ever be reality because if we start winning the ones not buying tickets out of spite will then begin to show up.
This statement is irrelevant, because the two are directly related. The atmosphere in Hilton today is tremendous, and it is because the women play entertaining, winning basketball. If they played the style like our men, and had a similar record, there would be 2,000 fans here today, not 11,000.
ISU needs full houses in Hilton from men's basketball. It was bad this year, and will be worse next year.
If you don't think that's causing JP stress, you're kidding yourself.
Why not? How will stop giving money make our program better. We'll end up hiring a bottom dwelling Mid-Major coach in the end. People are beginning to sound like Hawk Fans. What do you think happened in Iowa City. People are telling the athletic department they refuse to support Iowa Basketball. And now they are stuck in a terrible situation. What we are in right now is exactly what Iowa was in with Alfraud. Mac may or may not be the answer, but to stop supporting the program is not the answer.
That is a stupid reason to make a change now. No matter when you make a change there is going to be teams going after the same coaches.
wrong....every move he has made 99% of ISU fans were excited the moment it happened. not his fault that McD didn't work out, McD turned down KSU and Mizzou - he was one of the hottest commodities out there and he was a guy if he had success at ISU, would have stayed forever!
I didn't say it wasn't causing him stress, don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say they were not related. What I said was the record is the part that will push a coach out, not attendance. If he goes to the dance next year with 6,000 fans/game he will be here. If he wins 10 games with 6,000 fans he will not be here. If we are to hire a new coach simply to generate excitement for the fan base, that is **** poor administration. I have no doubt that if Mac isn't here next year we will be terrible and in the end the attendance will show the same numbers as if Mac where here and unsuccessful. I am in no way predicting Mac will be successful next year, however I don't see anyone out there that will immediately better the team next year. It will take at least 3 if not four years for the type of coach we get to rebuild this thing. Why not take our chances on one more year and then make a move. Pollard will then have an extra year to find a guy. I think going into this year he was somewhat unprepared for what has happened. He will into be next year. I am positive he has a short list and will be looking at things for the next 12 months if Mac is still around for next year.
If attendance was the sole indicator of what an AD should do Gary Patterson would not be coaching TCU. Neither would Chris Peterson be at Boise.
Again, this is an impossible and phony scenario. Attendance and success are directly related.
Also, your reference to TCU and Gary Patterson is a poor one. TCU just set a season attendance record this past year...
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Is this fact, based off of your inside information, or opinion? Certainly could go along way to putting all this speculation to rest.
Based off of what I have been told through multiple avenues, no change is going to be made.
Yes, at what an astounding 35,000 about 80% of their capacity.
Yes, that is a phony scenerio also pointing towards my point is that it doesn't matter is you do not buy season tickets at the beginning of next season. If the team is successful the place will fill. People saying they won't buy tickets to send a message will not hold out in the event of success. Why would you not do this every year? See how the season starts and then start going. I understand having little hope for the program under Mac, hell I have little hope. All I am saying is that not buying season tickets before the beginning of the season will do not good. Pollard will not look at the numbers before the season, be shocked, and make a change in September. The decision will be made next week and after that nothing can be done for next season therefor someone not buying tickets only hurts our financial situation and has no more bearing on a decision than simply not showing up past January because of lack of success. My point is not that the two are unrelated. My point is that the record will make the decision. Attendance just happens to follow.
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I think that is the point. Winning/Losing causes changes in attendance, not the other way around. Just because you buy tickets does not make the team win in the short term. The opposite is also true, just because you do not buy tickets does not make the team lose in the short term. Winning/Losing in the short term, however, acts causally on attendance in addition to the decision to retain or not retain the coach.
Winning/Losing is caused by the players, coaches, and officials. Each of those variables are effected by yet more variables.
Not buying tickets/supporting the program does not just hurt the immediate coach. It hurts the program in that less money will be available to:
A)upgrade facilities
B)negotiate future coach contracts (whether they be new hires or current coaches)
If you cannot pay a coach enough money to draw him to the program, assuming a new hire, you have to incorporate benefits into their contract to increase the value of the contract to make it competitive. Had we been able to pay McD more money up front, we might not have been forced to include some of the automatic circumstantial extensions McD has received.
Thus, I have given reasoning for how not buying tickets does not help cause a coaching change, but actually hurts if a coaching change occurs. This creates one giant downward spiral of suck, which in the event that you are a true Cyclone Fanatic, you do not want.
And that is neglecting the effects on facilities.
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