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Matt, this is so clear that you A) have a beef with Pollard and B) are trying to stir **** up. The kid was personally attacking players and coaches. All this letter was an angry message board post sent directly to Pollard.

This isn't about Pollard not caring about the "common" fan. This is about Pollard telling some kid whining directly to him to take a hike.
 
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The way everyone's responded to Matt and his little pot stirring experiment here has pretty much guaranteed that he will do it again.
 

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I'm not saying that he will be or even should be fired. Up to this point I have agreed with most of what JP has done. Awesome as far as improvements to facilities etc and will make us competitive.

I wil garauntee that Matt Rainey and his family will remember, I know that I would if I were him. And I know that a lot of other fans in Matts position will also feel the same but then again to JP and most of you on this board who feel that this response was a good idea people like him dont matter anyway. RIGHT??

Maybe Matt Rainey should find a more articulate to voice his displeasure than writing an immature and whiny letter directly to the AD. Did you think of that?

This kid got what he had coming. It's one thing to post that on CF, it's another thing to send it to the AD.
 

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I like Pollard and am glad he is our AD.

That said, he probably shouldnt currently be having the conversation that money is the way for a fan to "be heard".
As AD, you definitely dont want the fans to decide that withholding their money is a way to be heard.
 

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Sometimes you've got to put people in their place, including customers. This guy deserved it for such a poorly crafted complaint.


Pretty sure if I sent an email to a customer of my company that said what JP said, I would be in deep ****. JP deserves the railing that he is getting for sending this out whether it was deserved or not.

I agree that donors pay the bills but @ ISU we need everyone even the people who are scalping tickets north of Trice or outside of Hilton because someone had to buy these from the A dept. so to belittle someone for not being a financial supporter is poor judgement.
 

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After reading the e-mail again, I have even more reason to argue. The are misrepresenting what the e-mail actually said. He DID NOT say he was not a fan. He said that instead of doing what he is doing he should be looking to take action. That is not saying he is not a fan.

Come on.......that is a little too much parsing. He did state in the sentence before......"For someone who claims to be a Cyclone fan for as long as you can remember, it it amusing to me that you never have supported the program that you so claim to love." So in other words, if you do not donate (no matter what your financial situation might be) then you are not a fan as you claim.
 

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I got on here after hearing Matt talk about Pollard saying someone isn't a fan for not donating... where does it say that? Are there two emails floating around? Did I read the wrong one?
 

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Matt, this is so clear that you A) have a beef with Pollard and B) are trying to stir **** up. The kid was personally attacking players and coaches. All this letter was an angry message board post sent directly to Pollard.

This isn't about Pollard not caring about the "common" fan. This is about Pollard telling some kid whining directly to him to take a hike.

And than whiny kid could have been a potential season ticket buyer someday.

If Pollard really wrote that email, I am seriously concerned about him as our AD going forward.
 

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Matt, this is so clear that you A) have a beef with Pollard and B) are trying to stir **** up. The kid was personally attacking players and coaches. All this letter was an angry message board post sent directly to Pollard.

This isn't about Pollard not caring about the "common" fan. This is about Pollard telling some kid whining directly to him to take a hike.
Exactly. Today I became a 100% 1700 guy for the 4 o'clock time slot. Matt is a terrible host and I have never expected much out of him, but Ken should be embarrassed.

I think Pollard could have toned down his e-mail a bit, but let's be clear about what he's saying. Matt and Ken are letting everyone call in and go off based on the belief that Pollard has said you're not a fan if you don't donate or buy tickets. What he actually communicated in his e-mail was that you can't expect a 500-word diatribe addressed to the university's athletics director to be taken seriously when you don't donate or buy tickets.

Big difference. Of course, the latter isn't nearly as controversial.
 

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I get a kick out of how a lot of radio guys try to portray themselves as beyond reproach at the same time as they post garbage like this on their site and run everyone down. I at least somewhat respect Matt for probably being himself and not preaching about how he is so much better than everyone else.
 

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matt gets it handed to him on every message board he visits. The Creighton fans on his own site cannot stand him.
 

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I would argue that those non-donating fair weather fans are really the backbone of a program. The die hards are always going to donate. Its the fair weather fans that really push the program over the top.
 

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Sometimes you've got to put people in their place, including customers. This guy deserved it for such a poorly crafted complaint.

No you don't. It's not really the one guy and his potential future donations that Pollard needs to think about. It's also about his family, friends, coworkers, etc. Under no circumstances do you not treat someone with respect. He had so many options that it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue that this was a good move. He could have wrote a quick "standard reply" or he could have just ignored it, yet he chose option 3 which created this mess.
 

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Maybe Matt Rainey should find a more articulate to voice his displeasure than writing an immature and whiny letter directly to the AD. Did you think of that?

This kid got what he had coming. It's one thing to post that on CF, it's another thing to send it to the AD.


Did the kid deserve it, probably. Ripping on players no matter their talent level should make any ISU fan go into defense mode especially the AD.

However, sending this type of message BACK only shows that you are really no bigger than that fan as you are taking shots at him for not financially supporting the program.

This is the first year that I have been a Cyclone club member, althought last year I bought endzone tickets. I did not buy tickets because my financial situation did not allow plus I worked in agriculture which prevented me from attending many of the FB games. Does this mean that I was not a fan and should not have a voice until this year??

I call BS on that because I paid alot of money to ISU and infact I am still paying for Grad School.

To summarize JP needs to be the bigger person and send the "I'll take your comments under advisement, we appreciate your support to Cyclone athletics and hope that you continue to support us even if the production is not where we all hope that it would be."
 

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The thing I find funny about this, besides the fact that JP's response was partially unprofessional, was the fact he thinks you have to buy tickets to games to be a fan. Not everyone can afford to go to games. I'm a fan of UCLA stuff, but I've never bought tickets to any of their sporting events in my own name (it was always my dad buying tickets). So I guess their AD is going to claim I'm not a fan now by JP's logic because I never bought tickets for myself to any of their games.

Also, even if you aren't a "fan" of something, it doesn't mean you can't suggest something. I guess for an outside consulting firm to come into ISU and suggest things, like find a new coach, they can't do it because they aren't fans most likely.
 
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Look......when I worked at ISU, I worked at the Iowa State Center. As some (hopefully most) of you know, the Center was built mostly by private donations. Hilton was also build with bonds secured from student fees.

At events, patrons would come up and complain to me about whatever........anything related to that event. Now some of those people may have donated several thousand or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to the construction of the Center (similar to Athletic Department donors). Others may not have contributed a dime, and were attending their first event (Game by game ticket purchasers). Others may not have donated anything, yet attended many events each year (Season ticket holders).

Now, when a person was making a complaint to me, I may or may not have known their status. In some cases I did, but in most I did not. However, no matter what I knew about them, if I ever treated one patron different from another, and treated any patron with less respect just because I knew they had not offered as much support as someone else..........I would not have had my job for very long, I assure you. You can't treat people that way because you never know what their future contribution or level of support might be. It would have made no sense to treat anyone rudely, no matter what they said, or what their level of support was at that time.

It is just stupid to treat fans this way. You have to try and develop the relationship so that if that person's situation changes in the future, they may increase their support. You just never know.

Another side note...from someone who knew how to get support and donations.......when Dr. Hilton proposed the construction of the Center......part of the plan was that ISU students be employed there. One reason obviously, was to help students out with their expenses at school. Another reason though was that Dr. Hilton hoped that their experience of working there would be a good experience and would affect their future support of the Center, or their donations to the ISU Foundation, or ISU in general.

JP's response was arrogant and unprofessional, and IMO an embarrassment to the University. I hope the response is not really from him.......if it is......that is really too bad.
 

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Steve received an email exchange between an Iowa State fan and Iowa State Athletics Director Jamie Pollard. In the email, Pollard says that he had received over 100 emails from Iowa State fans, and the email from the fan cited below was the only one of those emails that contained negative sentiments to Jamie's decisions he announced on Tuesday. Perhaps Miller & Deace are out of touch with what the majority of Cyclone fans think on this issue.

Dear Mr. Pollard,
I am writing you today in regards to the state of the basketball program. I find it troubling that you continue to allow the program that I have watched for as long as I can remember fall into the shambles that it has. I remember watching players like Fred Hoiberg, Marcus Fizer, Jamal Tinsley, and so many more work Hilton Magic. I have watched almost all the games this year, and other then parts of the Texas game, I have not felt that "Magic" since you hired Greg McDermott. In fact, the ticket I bought for the Missouri game will be the last I purchase from your program until there is a change. It is sickening to me to watch the end of Iowa State Basketball games. You can point to the close games and say that they mean something. But every time I watch a close game, I know they are going to lose. I get that sick feeling in my gut because I know whats going to happen. Coach McDermott has shown no ability to coach at the end of the game. No team he has coached has ever shown that they have any capability to win a game in the clutch. Probably because he makes no adjustments during any game I have ever watched. Clearly the strategy he coaches by is not one that will win today, or tomorrow, or any other day in the Big 12 conference. To compound the issue, you are allowing him to basically start his tenure over. More then likely, next year there will be no Craig Brackins. There will be no Marques Gilstrap. Why Mr. Pollard should I buy a ticket to any game next year? To watch Scott Christophersen get burned by players from Kansas, Kansas State, and Texas again? Or better to watch Diante Garrett dribble the ball off his foot five times a game? The only success that Coach McDermott has had is to run off his best players. It sure seems like Mike Taylor and Wesley Johnson seem to be doing fine with their new coaches.
It makes me sick that you are allowing this joke to continue. You are poking the eye of the greats that built this program into the dynasty it was. I feel bad for the likes of Johnny Orr, Jeff Grayer, Barry Stevens, Jeff Hornacek and every other person who poured their heart and soul into this program only to watch you allow it be driven back into the ground. I feel bad for them, and for all the rest of the fans of this program who are forced to put up with this sick joke. I see no improvement and until I do I will not be putting any of my money into your program. In fact, allowing for this hideous nightmare to continue not only should Greg McDermott be worried about his job, but you too, Mr. Pollard.

Sincerely,
Matt Rainey
Urbandale, Iowa

From: [email protected]
To: Matt Rainey
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:43:32 -0600
Subject: RE: State of the Mens Basketball Program

Dear Matt,

Thank you for your email. Several thoughts for your to ponder.

1. Yesterday I received over a hundred emails following our letter to ticket holders and donors. Interesting enough, of all the emails I received, the only negative one was from you. Glad to know that your feelings are not shared by the majority of other Cyclone fans.

2. Although I appreciate your passion and desire to write me, I only wish you had the same passion in helping be part of the solution by joining the Cyclone Club or being a season ticket holder. Our records indicate you have never made a donation, purchased season tickets or even purchased a single game ticket from our department. Unfortunately, athletics is like politics - people have a lot of answers but never many solutions.

3. For someone who claims to be a Cyclone fan for as long as you can remember, it it amusing to me that you never have supported the program that you so claim to love. Rather than spending time worrying about what Orr, Grayer, Hornacek, and others would think - I think you should be more worried about yourself. Your email is actually rather embarrassing given your lack of action.


Thanks again for your email. I do appreciate it. I also hope you give some thought to my question about joining the Cyclone Club or purchasing season tickets. You can't expect better results if all you are willing to do is sit on the sidelines and write an email to the Athletics Director.


Go Cyclones!

If I didn't like JP before, I LOVE him now. This is what I have believed for a LONG time. A lot of Cyclone fans expect Texas results on UNI money. Pony up or shut up...EXACTLY.
 

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The thing I find funny about this, besides the fact that JP's response was partially unprofessional, was the fact he thinks you have to buy tickets to games to be a fan. Not everyone can afford to go to games. I'm a fan of UCLA stuff, but I've never bought tickets to any of their sporting events in my own name (it was always my dad buying tickets). So I guess their AD is going to claim I'm not a fan now by JP's logic because I never bought tickets for myself to any of their games.

No, JP is saying that if you don't contribute anything to the program then you don't have a lot of room to criticize the program either.