Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa State?

[dbronco7sc]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

Why does it matter so much to you whether people think such a thing has happened? 99% of the people could think that such a situation has occurred, but that doesn't mean that it has.

The same reason we discuss anything on this board. 99% of this board could think GMac should be fired. Doesn't mean he should? We come here to discuss. Every few months this topic gets brought up and my opinion gets shot down with no evidence... but simple posts similar to this: 'You have to be rediculous to believe that what gets said on here can affect a recruit. Come on... seriously??? WOW!'

It gives me peace of mind that others may share the same opinion as me... yet I don't wish to skew the results to fit my opinion. I want valid stats to prove that it's not "rediculous to think this way".

And I think that providing the results of a poll where at least 50% of the participants given a large enough sample size... (without sneaky wording used to 'trick' people into a specific answer) is valid proof that it's not "rediculous to think such a thing".

3 months from now, I can simply link to this post. Is that valid enough of a reason for you? Hopefully I've justified my privilege to post my opinions and polls on this message board.

 

[dbronco7sc]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

I am blown away this is a 1/3 - 2/3 ratio currently. If a player doesn't come here because of something he read on a message board, frankly, I don't want him here anyway. If you are going to let the course of your life be decided by a what a bunch of losers, myself included, sitting in front of computers think than you have some serious life issues that are going to come out later.

Hey maybe that's why Mac can't keep players here... maybe the message boards do matter.

Though I don't see it myself, I admit that I have a biased opinion and thefore may have skewed the results due to the way I worded the poll. It very well may contain inaccurate numbers.

 

[CYlent Bob]

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Could you add a "Are You ****ing kidding me?" option to the original question?

The problem with your theory is that message boards might have a slight effect on which players come to ISU HOWEVER they have a negative effect on the players who later decide to transfer. Bear with me here:

Many posters on CF expose ugly truths about the ISU program. We haven't won regularly since before Barack Obama was a US Senator, we lost almost 50% of our signees to attrition of one sort or another, and a big chunk of our fanbase thinks that Coach Mac is Inspector Clouseau with a whistle. Do you honestly think that recruits who are exposed to this sort of truth are going to be more or less likely to release a press statement two to three years down the road saying "I decided to transfer to explore other options with my playing career"?

No, the ugly truth is that without the negativity that many people here decry, we'd be signing more players who would certainly decide to kick ISU and GMac to the curb before their elgibility is exhausted. So we'd have the use of more talented recruits, but we'd only have them for a narrow window, so it's worse than a wash, IMHO. Saying otherwise is just illogical.

 

[Psyclone]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

A large number of replies state that message boards have an impact, but it is relatively small. Well let me say that if a recruit is having difficulty picking between two schools that he basically likes equally, but the tone of the message board causes a small negative impact for us; that small impact becomes huge if it becomes the difference between landing him or letting him get away.

You really don't want to put any additional obstacles in the way of landing a recruit. Myself I try to keep it positive on a public message board and keep my criticisms and concerns out of the public domain.

To look at it another way. Businesses spend a lot of money on public relations and advertising to get a positive message out. They wouldn't do it if it didn't make business sense. Negative publicity on message boards and blogs is not helping the cause. One can only hope the bad PR from the schools you are competing with is as bad or worse than what we serve up.

 

[ajk4st8]

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You could argue that recruiting can be boosted by message boards if the team is winning

 

[CYlent Bob]

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So you'd tone down the negativity from the fanbase? How about the immensely larger amount of negativity coming from the coaching staff, the new recruits' jaded teammates, and the likelihood of more dismal performances by their new team in the future? If you want to do something about the former, you HAVE to address the latter, otherwise you're using a coffee cup to bail water from the Titanic's engine room.

 

[Cyclonefarmer]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

Do potential recruits visit this site? If so (and I would have to believe almost all at least glance at it), then put yourself in their place. It has to have some effect but the extent is certainly debatable. When I started working out of college I heard some negative things about my employer but stuck with it. Some of the things were fairly accurate and many were not, but it took some time to figure that out. If a recruit is waffling on his decision,that may make or break it, but if he's set his mind on sticking with it, then it probably doesn't.Of course if other schools use it against us it's more of a factor.

 

[Spam]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

Negativity? Athletic directors blaming players is not negative?

 

[CYnI]

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If you are a poster on a message board, you do it because you believe your comment has legitimacy. If you believe that your comment has legitimacy, and is worth making, regardless of it's tilt or the comment, then I do not know how a person could vote no on this question. The only real question is whether the recruit, his parents, his coach, competitor's coaches read message boards and use the constant negativism against ISU. I don't know how you could vote no on that question either.

 

[ISUboi12]

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This site bums me out a lot when I read it. If it can have that affect on me then I am willing to believe it has the same on others. Especially if the topic discussed is how crappy I am because I am being recruited by GMac...

 

[3TrueFans]

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If you are a poster on a message board, you do it because you believe your comment has legitimacy. If you believe that your comment has legitimacy, and is worth making, regardless of it's tilt or the comment, then I do not know how a person could vote no on this question. The only real question is whether the recruit, his parents, his coach, competitor's coaches read message boards and use the constant negativism against ISU. I don't know how you could vote no on that question either.

That's just silly, if people are posting on the board because they think what they type will actually effect the outcome of recruiting then they think much too highly of themselves. I'd say most people post here because it's fun to shoot the **** with other people of similar interests.

 

[Wesley]

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This site bums me out a lot when I read it. If it can have that affect on me then I am willing to believe it has the same on others. Especially if the topic discussed is how crappy I am because I am being recruited by GMac...

It may bum you because some of the commenters may have valid viewpoints. If it was just hot air, you could gloss over it. The first two years people would not be in a deep funk. First year was exciting. The second year had promise. The third year had future hope. The fourth year had goals. The fifith year now is starting over. So. there is a reason that so many not so complimnetary threads have been started. Just read the results of the poll. The time to win more than 15 is next year or it will only get worse. The team needs to win at least 18 to show some improvement after five years of the doldrums.

 

[CYlent Bob]

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I would say that with the way GMac has painted himself into a corner with attrition & lack of player development, "just another 15 win season" next year would be the coaching achievement of his lifetime.

 

[dbronco7sc]

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It may bum you because some of the commenters may have valid viewpoints

Are they only the commenters that happen to agree with your opinion? Or can everyone on this site have a valid view point... even if they happen to believe what they say can affect a recruit?

I'm not saying that it DOES affect a recruit... but I don't appreciate being told that my opinion is wrong simply because it conflicts with somebody else's opinion.

 

[Cyclonefarmer]

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Just an added thought to my earlier post-If I had the athletic skill and confidence that most recruits probably do the posts are probably not going to have an overwhelming effect, but probably have some nagging negativity. I can't speak exactly for athletes because I was more of a NERD. But in pursuing my career I knew I had the ability to do my job and do it well, but still get tired of some of the negative comments about my emloyer,especially when some were unfounded.

 

[GoShow97]

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But but but,............the program is in good hands, it is headed in the right direction. Trust me.

 

[CYlent Bob]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

But but but,............the program is in good hands, it is headed in the right direction. Trust me.

INTEGRITY!!!!

 

[peachy]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

It's funny that in 4 years, we have blamed the following for our lack of success in MBB:
Scheduling
Wayne Morgan
Johnny Orr (he set the bar to high)
Recruiting
The Fans
The Players (right JP?)
Mono
Larry Eustachy
Harrison Barnes
NCAA
Big 12 Conference (too tough of a conference)
Mike Taylor
Wes Johnson
Jamie Pollard
Players leaving, quitting, etc.
Our Offense (Defense too)
Donors
Cyclone Alley
The Band

I am sure there are more. (Notice there are some on this site who don't blame GM for our lack of success, that is why he did not make the list). But now, we have the REAL source for MBB failures.... our very own Cyclone Fanatic! This site is why we don't get recruits! Since we don't get recruits, we lose 12 out of 16 conference games! CF cost us the victory against South Dakota State! CF prevented us from reaching any post season play at all for the last 4 years! It is so obvious to me now. We should shut down this site immediately. Chris, I beg of you, for the sake of MBB, please close this site ASAP! It is the only way we can make it to the dance!!!!

 

[CRLCy]

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It's funny that in 4 years, we have blamed the following for our lack of success in MBB:
Scheduling
Wayne Morgan
Johnny Orr (he set the bar to high)
Recruiting
The Fans
The Players (right JP?)
Mono
Larry Eustachy
Harrison Barnes
NCAA
Big 12 Conference (too tough of a conference)
Mike Taylor
Wes Johnson
Jamie Pollard
Players leaving, quitting, etc.
Our Offense (Defense too)
Donors
Cyclone Alley
The Band

I am sure there are more. (Notice there are some on this site who don't blame GM for our lack of success, that is why he did not make the list). But now, we have the REAL source for MBB failures.... our very own Cyclone Fanatic! This site is why we don't get recruits! Since we don't get recruits, we lose 12 out of 16 conference games! CF cost us the victory against South Dakota State! CF prevented us from reaching any post season play at all for the last 4 years! It is so obvious to me now. We should shut down this site immediately. Chris, I beg of you, for the sake of MBB, please close this site ASAP! It is the only way we can make it to the dance!!!!

It plays A role, not THE role. I'd argue that players enjoying themselves, playing loose and together as a good matters most.

the toxic / negative posts though don't help this site, which in turn CAN be read and interrepted by recruits.

Btw - I'd suggest listening to Chris's post on posting re: B-Ball.

 

[dbronco7sc]

Re: Poll: Can message boards play a factor into a potential recruit coming to Iowa St

I am sure there are more. (Notice there are some on this site who don't blame GM for our lack of success, that is why he did not make the list). But now, we have the REAL source for MBB failures.... our very own Cyclone Fanatic! This site is why we don't get recruits! Since we don't get recruits, we lose 12 out of 16 conference games! CF cost us the victory against South Dakota State! CF prevented us from reaching any post season play at all for the last 4 years! It is so obvious to me now. We should shut down this site immediately. Chris, I beg of you, for the sake of MBB, please close this site ASAP! It is the only way we can make it to the dance!!!!

Notice for each item on your list there are some on this site who don't blame that particular item, so they should all be removed as well.

I think you'd find our coach at the top of the list if we counted up how many people would vote for each item.

But can you please point me to a post where somebody said this site should be closed down due to their opinion that it in some cases may hurt our recruiting? As I would like to discuss why I think such action is a poor idea with that person.

Unless of course you were just making a sarcastic post as nobody has actually seriously proposed such action, and the point you are making really has no opposition and no target audience to begin with, in which case there is no need for you to look for such a post. I just also think it's rediculous to jump to such a conclusion that we should shut down this site.