High school fball coach fired because of photos sent to girlfriend

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That's your opinion; what's morally acceptable behavior in society is determined by the majority, and I'm not so sure you'd have the majority on this one.

10 years from now, if this site's still up, someone will revisit this thread and laugh at the uproar a few private pictures between adults caused.

Also, my parents started dating when she was 20 and he was 30; luckily her parents weren't as overbearing as janny & tornado

If his contract creates an at will employment status for the first three years, the guy will have no standing in court. Personally, if my 17 year old went to his school and I heard about this, I'd want him gone too. He did nothing illegal, but I hold teachers to a higher standard of behavior. As for the majority argument, I don't think that even close to a majority of Americans engage in this type of thing. I think it sucks that his girlfriend didn't take better care to keep this message private, but then again she's only 20 and 20 year olds don't always make the best decisions. He has no right to privacy argument because his privacy wasn't invaded, the pictures were taken from the girlfriends phone. She MAY have a privacy argument against her mother depending on who's property the phone is and other factors that create an expectation of privacy. The problem there is what are her damages? Without provable damages, there is no lawsuit.

I don't think that this guy will get his job back and he likely won't teach again anywhere close to there, but the school may offer some sort of settlement for this to go away. This should be a good lesson to everyone. NOTHING IS PRIVATE ONCE IT LEAVES YOUR PHYSICAL POSSESSION. If you want to keep your sex life private, keep it behind closed doors. There are just no winners in this situation.
 

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It is sadly interesting to read the comments that "he did nothing wrong" or the "school is going to be paying lottery money to this guy for wrongful termination". Whatever happened to morals and professional behaviour in our society? Sorry, children, but sending naked pics over cell phones may be a private matter between consenting adults, legally, but that does not make it acceptable behaviour. I would not want a teacher who is 32 that has this kind of relationship with a 20 year old, in a classroom with my highschool age kid. What do you think he has on his mind while he is over seeing studyhall?

I agree that sending out naked pictures is a bonehead move because you never know who will eventually see them.

The problem with this situation is that the girlfriends mother is a ***** and chose to take the pictures to his employer. The issue could have been handled by her talking to her daughter and her boyfriend. She decided to ruin his career because she is an overbearing, irrational parent.

I hate people that get upset with someone so they decide tthey will do whatever they can to get them fired or in trouble.
 

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I would guess that the issue of the daughter dating the older man, who may or may not have been her former teacher is why the mom went to the school. There had to have been an underlying reason, but still its a weird move to take it to the employer.
 

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My wife is 8 years younger, but I never sent this sort of picture to her over a cell phone, e-mail or anything else. Maybe we're old-fashioned, but these ideas haven't really occurred to us.

I wasn't referring to the pictures in that last part, just that they thought the age difference was unsettling:

So if your 20 year-old daughter was dating a 32 year-old man, you wouldn't be on edge? C'mon, be honest.
 

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I posted the comment about moral behaviour earlier and I too am 8 years older than my wife. I should clarify that age is not the issue here, his actions were legal just extrememly unprofessional and lacking in moral conviction for a person who serves as a teacher/roll model. Reminds me of the Clinton sexual judgements he made. Legally correct but professionally damaging.
 

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"first three years of his contract, the school can legally fire him for any reason. Oh, and the 20-year-old girl in question has a 17-year-old sister who attends Mandarin High.[/QUOTE]


As a father of both a 20 year old and 17 year old daughters. If I would wonder "WHEN" this relationship began. It sure didn't start after she was away at college. The guy seems to be on a slippery slope from my view.
 

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If everyone got fired for sending a pic of their wang, no one would have a job.

This guy's definitely in the coach's corner

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I find it to be a real slippery slope to start firing people from their job for doing something completely legal totally outside of work. I agree when I am on company time or using company property, I'm playing by their rules. I also agree that if I am convicted of some sort of criminal activity, they can terminate me if they want. But none of that stuff happened here.

What's next? Some uptight prude of a coworker finds out that I went to the nudie bar last night and turns me in to the boss and has me fired? When an employer starts making moral judgements based on activities completely outside the work place, you are going to run into some messy issues. Everybody has a different opinion of what is or is not acceptable, just look at the responses in this thread. Are we going to have to have HR departments around the country drafting up morality handbooks for off work time so that we are all on the same page as to what we can and can't do in our private lives?
 
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I posted the comment about moral behaviour earlier and I too am 8 years older than my wife. I should clarify that age is not the issue here, his actions were legal just extrememly unprofessional and lacking in moral conviction for a person who serves as a teacher/roll model. Reminds me of the Clinton sexual judgements he made. Legally correct but professionally damaging.

If they had sex in his office at school then I might agree with you also one in an affair and the other is not. This comparison is horrid. 2 consenting adults shared photos in what should have been a private setting. There is no moral lapse here, this wasn't posted on facebook or on the internet anywhere. I find it to be more of a gross invasion of both her daughters privacy as well as the boyfriends.
 

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That's your opinion; what's morally acceptable behavior in society is determined by the majority, and I'm not so sure you'd have the majority on this one.

10 years from now, if this site's still up, someone will revisit this thread and laugh at the uproar a few private pictures between adults caused.

Also, my parents started dating when she was 20 and he was 30; luckily her parents weren't as overbearing as janny & tornado


Hold the phone man. I don't approve of her parents taking this to the guy's workplace. I'm not even guaranteeing that I would even be mad. (that would depend on the exact circumstances) All I am saying is that if a parent discovered pictures of a naked man on their daughter's phone, it's something that they would want to talk about, to determine if it is something to be concerned about. I don't agree with snooping around your child's posessions, but if a parent does come accross something troubling, it's their job to make sure that everything is ok. It would be the same thing if I visited my child's home and saw that it was strewn with several empty liquor bottles. Even if they were of legal drinking age, as a parent, I would still inquire about them, if only to determine if there is a problem. That doesn't mean that I would go on a tirade, or immediately enter them into alcohol treatment. It just means that I would be concerned. I don't think that's overbearing. That's just caring about your child.
 

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Let's see...A 32-year old man loses his job because he is turned in by the mother of a 20-year girl old to whom he is sending sexually explicit pictures of himself. Yeah...this thing will end well. At least the writers for CSI Miami won't have to work too hard to turn this story into a plot line for an upcoming episode....
 

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I find it to be a real slippery slope to start firing people from their job for doing something completely legal totally outside of work. I agree when I am on company time or using company property, I'm playing by their rules. I also agree that if I am convicted of some sort of criminal activity, they can terminate me if they want. But none of that stuff happened here.

What's next? Some uptight prude of a coworker finds out that I went to the nudie bar last night and turns me in to the boss and has me fired? When an employer starts making moral judgements based on activities completely outside the work place, you are going to run into some messy issues. Everybody has a different opinion of what is or is not acceptable, just look at the responses in this thread. Are we going to have to have HR departments around the country drafting up morality handbooks for off work time so that we are all on the same page as to what we can and can't do in our private lives?

There is no slippery slope in this case - the guy knew he was an "at-will" hire for the first 3 years of his contract and could be fired for any reason, and he gave them plenty of ammunition to do so, even if his actions were on his own time and on his own equipment.

Some people on this site seem to forget that he's a role model at this school, and his actions will be closely watched by those attending the school, and those kids will emulate behaviors by role models that they are "taught" to be right.

Kids already post way too much information about themselves on the web - they post pictures on and far too much personal information on Facebook without realizing the harm that they could potentially cause themselves, either by being exploited by people who could care less about them, or jeopardizing their ability to find a job years down the road because, however legal it is or isn't, potential employers do check sites like Facebook profiles and albums as a judge of character. The actions of this guy not only do nothing to dissuade such destructive behavior out of teenagers who look up to him, but it validates such behaviors.

I'll go on the record as saying I don't necessarily agree with the firing, but disciplinary actions had to be taken, even though legally the guy did nothing wrong. I have no problem with a 32 year old man being in a relationship with a 20 year old, and I really don't care as to when that relationship started because neither does it pertain to this case nor can they prove that he did anything illegal. I also have no issues with him taking "dirty" photos of himself, and in itself I have no issues with him e-mailing them to his girlfriend. What I do have problems with is by e-mailing them, he lost control of them, and as a result they became "public". As such he can no longer be a credible role model to students at that high school, especially since there is such an emphasis on stressing the importance to children about not posting personal information about themselves on the internet.
 
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I find it to be a real slippery slope to start firing people from their job for doing something completely legal totally outside of work. I agree when I am on company time or using company property, I'm playing by their rules. I also agree that if I am convicted of some sort of criminal activity, they can terminate me if they want. But none of that stuff happened here.

What's next? Some uptight prude of a coworker finds out that I went to the nudie bar last night and turns me in to the boss and has me fired? When an employer starts making moral judgements based on activities completely outside the work place, you are going to run into some messy issues. Everybody has a different opinion of what is or is not acceptable, just look at the responses in this thread. Are we going to have to have HR departments around the country drafting up morality handbooks for off work time so that we are all on the same page as to what we can and can't do in our private lives?

A person's conduct outside of work is absolutely cause for termination if it represents the company in a negative light or does not fit with the value system of the company. People are confusing his right to behave this way (which he has) with a non-existent right to be employed. Public employees are often held to a higher standard as well because they are paid by public money. If you ask the parents of the those at the school, I guarantee you would have a vast majority that would agree with the firing. The fact that he intended this to be private is irrelevant. It's like saying that something is only illegal if you get caught. This guy made a bonehead decision and a lot of people will get to learn from his mistake. If he worked for me, I'd fire him as well without thinking twice about it.
 

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Hold the phone man. I don't approve of her parents taking this to the guy's workplace. I'm not even guaranteeing that I would even be mad. (that would depend on the exact circumstances) All I am saying is that if a parent discovered pictures of a naked man on their daughter's phone, it's something that they would want to talk about, to determine if it is something to be concerned about. I don't agree with snooping around your child's posessions, but if a parent does come accross something troubling, it's their job to make sure that everything is ok. It would be the same thing if I visited my child's home and saw that it was strewn with several empty liquor bottles. Even if they were of legal drinking age, as a parent, I would still inquire about them, if only to determine if there is a problem. That doesn't mean that I would go on a tirade, or immediately enter them into alcohol treatment. It just means that I would be concerned. I don't think that's overbearing. That's just caring about your child.

My question then would be at what age is the cutoff for being concerned in a situation like this?

If you'd be concerned they had a naked picture of their boyfriend/girlfriend at age 20, would you still be concerned if they were 30 or 40? Or is there an age in between where you can say "you know what, I think precious is old enough to make their own decisions without needing my judgment"
 

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My question then would be at what age is the cutoff for being concerned in a situation like this?

If you'd be concerned they had a naked picture of their boyfriend/girlfriend at age 20, would you still be concerned if they were 30 or 40? Or is there an age in between where you can say "you know what, I think precious is old enough to make their own decisions without needing my judgment"

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"first three years of his contract, the school can legally fire him for any reason. Oh, and the 20-year-old girl in question has a 17-year-old sister who attends Mandarin High.


As a father of both a 20 year old and 17 year old daughters. If I would wonder "WHEN" this relationship began. It sure didn't start after she was away at college. The guy seems to be on a slippery slope from my view.[/QUOTE]
The relationship began after she was in college. It was posted earlier in this thread
 

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I can't believe some are labeling his actions unprofessional. This doesn't have Jack to do with his job. It was a action between him and his legal consenting girlfriend.

What's next? Are you going to Wang teachers fired because they like to do the flying cricket move from Kama sutra with their wife g friend? Should teachers be relegated to a hole in a sheet action w their significant other?
 

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My question then would be at what age is the cutoff for being concerned in a situation like this?

If you'd be concerned they had a naked picture of their boyfriend/girlfriend at age 20, would you still be concerned if they were 30 or 40? Or is there an age in between where you can say "you know what, I think precious is old enough to make their own decisions without needing my judgment"

Well, that would depend on many different factors. There's not just a set age where all of a sudden you stop being concerned about your child. And again, nowhere am I saying that a parent ought to be automatically mad about a situation like this, or rush into any kind of judgement. Only that it would be something that they would want to talk about with their child to determine if it is something to be concerned about. If the child is convinced that it's no big deal, and has a handle on the situation, then I would probably leave it alone, but to ignore it entirely is not a good idea.